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Thread: Is Vistula River a genetic border

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick View Post
    Dna tribes made me too Slavic


    For Poles best option Global 25 because is made by one of them, Global 25 is probably best option for everyone

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Historically very Germanic, both to the east and west of it actually (the northern part).
    Ancient Romans always saw the Vistula River as a border river between different lands and peoples.

    Marcus Agrippa wrote:

    "Dacia, Getica finiuntur ab oriente desertis Sarmatiae, ab occidente flumine Vistula, a septentrione Oceano, a meridie flumine Histro. (...) Germania, Raetia, ager Noricus ab oriente flumine Vistula et silva Hyrcania, ab occidente flumine Rheno, a septentrione Oceano, a meridie iugis Alpium et flumine Danubio. (...) Germania omnis et Dacia finiuntur ab oriente flumine Vistla, ab occidente flumine Rheno, a septentrione mari Oceano, a meridie flumine Danubio. (...) Dacia finitur ab oriente desertis Sarmatiae, ab occidente flumine Vistla, a septentrione Oceano, a meridie flumine Histro."

    Pomponius Mela wrote:

    "Sarmatia intus quam ad mare latior, ab his quae secuntur Vistula amne discreta, qua retro abit usque ad Histrum flumen inmittitur. Gens habitu armisque Parthicae proxima (...)."

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    Check also:

    https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2019/...nged-to-y.html

    https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2019/...germanics.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvinski View Post
    I don't think so. But I'm not sure about areas between Pilica and Vistula including Radom and Kielce.
    Do you have the GEDmatch results of Poles from around Lubin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick View Post
    Dna tribes made me too Slavic
    In DNA Tribes in "Total Ancestral Fit - European Populations":

    - me (Polish with ancestry from the west of Vistula): 1. Czech, 2. Slovenia, 3. Slovakia
    - mlukas (Polish east of Vistula): 1. Ukraine West, 2. Russia Oryol, 3. Russia Smolensk

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    Litvinski, broadly speaking, what are the differences between each “genetic region” among poles as well as traditional poles from outside the modern borders? I have ideas, but you have gone through this stuff with a finer comb.

    I thought we were all Uralic admixed! (J/k. That was a joke about the over-use of Estonian Polish samples...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvinski View Post
    In DNA Tribes in "Total Ancestral Fit - European Populations":

    - me (Polish with ancestry from the west of Vistula): 1. Czech, 2. Slovenia, 3. Slovakia
    - mlukas (Polish east of Vistula): 1. Ukraine West, 2. Russia Oryol, 3. Russia Smolensk
    I guess it's not that bad after all

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvinski View Post
    In tests like DNA Tribes or DNA Land there are big differences between different regions of Poland.
    It has more to do with DNA Tribes being a terrible calculator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick View Post
    Dna tribes made me too Slavic
    When I learned the company was run by African Americans, I knew it wasn't worth a dime At least for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    When I learned the company was run by African Americans, I knew it wasn't worth a dime At least for me.
    Then that would make them less biased than Poles. It was just a raw data upload anyway.

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    remember this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recovered_Territories
    Lubuskie (51%), Zachodniopomorskie (25%), Dolnośląskie (47%) and Opolskie (30%) can be more eastern than Siedlce
    here map about Poles with eastern heritage from mentioned above regions (voievodeships)
    https://pl.delfi.lt/aktualia/polska/....d?id=61865863

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