Meskhetian(Ahıska) Turk MyHeritage + Gedmatch results from Ardahan

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Phenotype doesn't always equal to genotype. I've seen both a Japanese-looking Moroccan with no Mongoloid and a Scandinavian-looking Chepni Turk girl from Giresun who scored too high Central Asian & no European ancestry

Yeah I know but as far as I know pseudo Central Asian looking Moroccans generally have SSA. Sometimes SSA gives pseudo mong vibe. I think Scando looking Chepni girl is unexcpexted but not impossible because she's not only have East Eurasian.

My situation is weirdest imo. But as I said, maybe there is a family history that I don't know.

Magyar member Chris's situation is similar to mine.

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If I am not wrong, Ottomans never mentioned this group, it could be that they were probably turkified in pre Ottoman times or also in contact with other Turkish groups. But they identify themselves as Turks for so many centuries, already have a Turkish related culture and are intermarrying into other Turkish groups. Therefore they are no different for me comparing to someone from Edirne to Igdir.

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Phenotype doesn't always equal to genotype. I've seen both a Japanese-looking Moroccan with no Mongoloid and a Scandinavian-looking Chepni Turk girl from Giresun who scored too high Central Asian & no European ancestry

The phenotype is not the genotype, but even 5% influences the phenotype, it would be ridiculous to believe that not: even the prehistoric ancestral contributions influence our traits, with variations due to selection, selective pressure, etc., so imagine more recent contributions .

But yes, "sleepy Asian genes" can still back up to the surface in a population that is 5-10% siberian-like.

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If I am not wrong, Ottomans never mentioned this group, it could be that they were probably turkified in pre Ottoman times or also in contact with other Turkish groups. But they identify themselves as Turks for so many centuries, already have a Turkish related culture and are intermarrying into other Turkish groups. Therefore they are no different for me comparing to someone from Edirne to Igdir.

My grandpa said we settled in Ahıska from the Ankara. Maybe in Ottoman period Turkmens were sent but the autosomal results don't seem like that. Maybe they mixed too much with the locals but that doesn't make much sense either because Meskhetians were Orthodox Christians.


But maybe my family was migrated to the region in the late period, so the results of my family may not be similar to the Meskhetian Turks.

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If Meskhetian Turks adopted Turkish identity during Ottoman times, that would mean there wasn’t any resistance and it proceeded quickly. At most that happened maybe by some Ottoman authorities, not by Turkish tribes. Also I doubt that Ottomans ever tried to settle Turkmens there, many maybe most rebellious clans were Alevi/Shia and they weren’t stupid to settle them to a disputed region where they could fall into Safevi clutches. Especially Central Anatolian tribes sympathized with the Persian state which was under Turkish rule and rather considered them as their sovereign than Ottomans. Those groups were settled somewhere like Balkan else or deported to Syria. It is just interesting why only this specific group adopted Turkish identity and not the whole group, Islamization didn’t mean adopting Turkish identity.

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If Meskhetian Turks adopted Turkish identity during Ottoman times, that would mean there wasn’t any resistance and it proceeded quickly. At most that happened maybe by some Ottoman authorities, not by Turkish tribes. Also I doubt that Ottomans ever tried to settle Turkmens there, many maybe most rebellious clans were Alevi/Shia and they weren’t stupid to settle them to a disputed region where they could fall into Safevi clutches. Especially Central Anatolian tribes sympathized with the Persian state which was under Turkish rule and rather considered them as their sovereign than Ottomans. Those groups were settled somewhere like Balkan else or deported to Syria. It is just interesting why only this specific group adopted Turkish identity and not the whole group, Islamization didn’t mean adopting Turkish identity.

Yes true it doesn't make sense to send Turkmens to a place close to the Safavids. Most Ahıskalı when I talk to describe themselves as the locals of the region but no one knows exactly how it happens. I only heard from my grandfather and one source that Meskhetian Turks originally came from Anatolia, but as I said, our situation may be different. It is very interesting to adopt Turkish identity. Although there was many Turks in Bulgaria, Pomaks still considered as a different ethnicity. For example my grandma are Adjaran and describe themselves as Muslim Georgians. I think it's more than adopting identity. I don't know how or what happened, but the Meskhetian region has a very mysterious history.

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Phenotype doesn't always equal to genotype. I've seen both a Japanese-looking Moroccan with no Mongoloid and a Scandinavian-looking Chepni Turk girl from Giresun who scored too high Central Asian & no European ancestry

Are these from r/23andme on reddit?

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Yeah I know but as far as I know pseudo Central Asian looking Moroccans generally have SSA. Sometimes SSA gives pseudo mong vibe. I think Scando looking Chepni girl is unexcpexted but not impossible because she's not only have East Eurasian.

My situation is weirdest imo. But as I said, maybe there is a family history that I don't know.

Magyar member Chris's situation is similar to mine.

Also search the actors Erza Miller and Joseph Gordon Levitt who are supposedly fully Jewish but looks like a NE Asian hapa or Pharrell Williams and John Legend who look half Asian despite being supposedly full Afro-American.

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Also search the actors Erza Miller and Joseph Gordon Levitt who are supposedly fully Jewish but looks like a NE Asian hapa or Pharrell Williams and John Legend who look half Asian despite being supposedly full Afro-American.

Yeah I know Ezra bacause a few people told me I looked like Ezra Miller. xd And Joseph Gordon Levitt. They're also interesting cases.

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Yeah I know Ezra bacause a few people told me I looked like Ezra Miller. xd And Joseph Gordon Levitt. They're also interesting cases.

People told you this in real life or in this forum? I want to see their DNA tests.