Breaking News: No Genetic Evidence for homosexuality

[Westbrook]

The reason it seems more common now is because it's become socially acceptable to be open about it in western countries.

We can also see that homosexuality is a phenomenon triggered by social changes and not by biology, since homosexuality rates have exploded in just 3 decades. There's no way biology can change that fast.

[ixulescu]

Homossexuals know are open to be who they are in Americas, Australia and Europe. Thats why the number have exploded. In my class men are like 60% and half of them are gay or bi.

In the US homosexuality has been in the open for at least 3 decades now. But the rates continued to grow massively even for the generation that was born after homosexuality became accepted as normal. So no, that's not the main driver for the increase.

half of your colleagues are gay or bi?? wow

[Insuperable]

Yeah, we know.

[Mingle]

Here is a website that is dedicated to debunking all the born that way myths: http://www.queerbychoice.com/

It has a specific section where it debunks all the genetics related nonsense. The website was created by a queer person that chose to be queer. And they also quoted many other queer people that publicly admitted that their queerness was a choice (this doesn't mean its a choice for everybody).

If it is genetic (its not but IF), then its epigenetic (environment + genetics combo) rather than purely genetic. But its not genetic. Schizophrenia is considered to be epigenetic and there is more evidence for the genetic component in schizophrenia than there is for homosexuality.

Before the 1990's, LGBT activists were fighting for LGBT "rights" under the banner of freedom of expression. Then in 1985, two gay men named Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen wrote a piece called The Gay Agenda where they mentioned that gays should be considered to be born gay so that they can get minority status and then earn equal rights. Later in 1986, the LGBT community lost a court case called Bowers v. Hardwick. Initially, LGBTs were against the born that way idea because they felt they deserved equal rights based on freedom of expression but they eventually caved in after losing the court case. Kirk and Madsen wrote a piece called The Overhauling of Straight America in 1987 where they outlined their plans and then made a more detailed publication based off of that two years later in a book called After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the ’90s. Here they admit that they aren't born gay but they should promote the lie for practical purposes:

“The public should be persuaded that gays are victims of circumstance, that they no more chose their sexual orientation than they did, say, their height, skin color, talents, or limitations. (We argue that, for all practical purposes, gays should be considered to have been “born gay” — even though sexual orientation, for most humans, seems to be the product of a complex interaction between innate predispositions and environmental factors during childhood and early adolescence.)”

So they state that environment has a significant role in it (if so, then this can't be compared to stuff like skin color) but that they should argue that they came out of the womb as gays for practical purposes.

Honestly, I'd be more content with gay marriage being legal and people knowing the truth about the born that way hoax than for it to be illegal and people believing that they were born this way.

[Blondie]

If you spend enough time in the prison you will be homo or bisexual as well.

[Tenma de Pegasus]

In the US homosexuality has been in the open for at least 3 decades now. But the rates continued to grow massively even for the generation that was born after homosexuality became accepted as normal. So no, that's not the main driver for the increase.

half of your colleagues are gay or bi?? wow

In Brazil its a progressive thing, decade after decade the country is becoming more gay friendly, first the stable union, then the marriage and then the adoption some years ago.Gays can even have laboratory children here.

[Tommie]

Homossexuals now are open to be who they really are in Americas, Australia and Europe. Thats why the number have exploded. In my class men are like 60% and half of them are gay or bi. If an hecatomb happened in Brazil and freedom were lost, I am sure most of them would hide their true sexual orientation again.

Not all over Europe though, there are still some countries where homosexuals are forced to stay in the closet and fake an identity, because the LGBT community is generally frowned upon in those countries.

[Zeus]

I dont really think this article is as conclusive in your camp as you think it is. your claim of "No Genetic Evidence for homosexuality" versus the article which says
"five spots on the human genome that are linked to same-sex sexual behaviour — but none of the markers are reliable enough to predict someone’s sexuality."
AND:"up to 25% of sexual behaviour can be explained by genetics, with the rest influenced by environmental and cultural factors — a figure similar to the findings of smaller studies"
AND: "while sexual preferences have a genetic component, no single gene has a large effect on sexual behaviours."
AND(from source): "Nearly half a million genomes reveal five DNA markers associated with sexual behaviour — but none with the power to predict the sexuality of an individual."

It's just saying that, though are are spots on the human genome that are linked to homosexuality, you cannot use those markers to outright predict one's sexuality, and though genetics play some part in sexuality, the environment and culture is another important part aswell that is arguably more important, and that sexual preferences have a genetic component but there is no one single gene that you can use to predict one's sexuality

[Tenma de Pegasus]

Not all over Europe though, there are still some countries where homosexuals are forced to stay in the closet and fake an identity, because the LGBT community is generally frowned upon in those countries.

Indeed, deep tradiotinal western Europe to me more specific. Anywhere east of Germany, the situation start to be another one.

[Dorian]

If it is genetic (its not but IF), then its epigenetic (environment + genetics combo) rather than purely genetic. But its not genetic. Schizophrenia is considered to be epigenetic and there is more evidence for the genetic component in schizophrenia than there is for homosexuality.

Correct me If wrong but isn't there correlation between "schizotypy" traits and the triggering of schizophrenia and the opposite in families?
From what I had understood ,for something to be triggered by the environment there has to be already some genetic basis for it ,so how you go from "rather than purely genetic" to" it's not genetic"?
If you are saying that it's triggered in the here&now out of nothing,why is there such a mechanism being triggered-activated so often at certain rates around the world? and If it's purely environmental(don't know If you implied this) you believe everyone can become homo under right conditions?cause I doubt this,there must be something making some intolerant and others susceptible.
Saying it's not genetic goes in hand with the "blank state" theories all these sjw lgbt marxist cliques like to use to equate&make equal all humans.
Maybe I'm missing something but it seems to me that they can use both options to push their agenda.