Future of Catholicism

**Loki** · 09-11-2019, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by JosephK

The beauty of a Church is the result of the beauty of its people. An empty people will have an empty church.

No, it isn't.

**JosephK** · 09-11-2019, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by Loki

No, it isn't.

Oh. Never mind, then.

I was thinking of the beautiful Catholic churches around the world, and the Eastern/Southern European Immigrant communities in the US around in the 19th century, when donor contributions enhanced the glorification of the Church, as opposed to Protestant chapels in which donor contributions go to the mortgage and car payments of the preachers.

**Óttar** · 09-11-2019, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by JosephK

Oh. Never mind, then.

I was thinking of the beautiful Catholic churches around the world, and the Eastern/Southern Immigrant communities in the US around in the 19th century, when donor contributions enhanced the glorification of the Church, as opposed to Protestant chapels in which donor contributions go to the mortgage and car payments of the preachers.

There is no doubt that Catholic churches have all others beat in terms of ornamentation and aesthetic beauty, but I've always thought their grandeur was hypocritical considering Jesus' statement, 'It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.' The Catholic Church can afford to have churches like that due to millenia of simony, indulgences, wars, and colonialism. To attribute it to the Church's inherent holiness is just silly.

**JosephK** · 09-11-2019, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by Óttar

There is no doubt that Catholic churches have all others beat in terms of ornamentation and aesthetic beauty, but I've always thought their grandeur was hypocritical considering Jesus' statement, 'It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.' The Catholic Church can afford to have churches like that due to millenia of simony, indulgences, wars, and colonialism. To attribute it to the Church's inherent holiness is just silly.

Being essentially an atheist, I look at it more for its civilizational value.

**Loki** · 09-11-2019, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by JosephK

Being essentially an atheist, I look at it more for its civilizational value.

Yeah, you should understand that for Christians, it's not about culture or civilization, but much more than that... it's about life itself and everything encompassing it.

**Loki** · 09-11-2019, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by JosephK

Oh. Never mind, then.

I was thinking of the beautiful Catholic churches around the world, and the Eastern/Southern European Immigrant communities in the US around in the 19th century, when donor contributions enhanced the glorification of the Church, as opposed to Protestant chapels in which donor contributions go to the mortgage and car payments of the preachers.

You have totally warped idea about these matters...

**PaleoEuropean** · 09-11-2019, 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by JosephK

Oh. Never mind, then.

I was thinking of the beautiful Catholic churches around the world, and the Eastern/Southern European Immigrant communities in the US around in the 19th century, when donor contributions enhanced the glorification of the Church, as opposed to Protestant chapels in which donor contributions go to the mortgage and car payments of the preachers.

8 dollars out of 10 goes to the Roman Clergy and to cover up their pedophile ring

https://www.newsweek.com/over-3-bill...claims-1090753
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...ing-efforts-to

The Catholic Church has been exposed for it's financial usury of it's people.

**PaleoEuropean** · 09-11-2019, 11:33 PM

Originally Posted by Óttar

There is no doubt that Catholic churches have all others beat in terms of ornamentation and aesthetic beauty, but I've always thought their grandeur was hypocritical considering Jesus' statement, 'It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.' The Catholic Church can afford to have churches like that due to millenia of simony, indulgences, wars, and colonialism. To attribute it to the Church's inherent holiness is just silly.

A church that doesn't have symbols or statues is a much holier place, God hates idolatry.

**The Lawspeaker** · 09-11-2019, 11:51 PM

Not going to look on an international level but less than half of those living in the Bisphorics of Breda, Den Bosch or Roermond are still actively Catholic (mind you: that's Brabant - that's Limburg: Catholic heartland). Utrecht, the traditional seat of Catholicism in the Netherlands, now sees most catholic possessions sold off because few still attend. As for much of the North: they can just as well close up shop.

**PaleoEuropean** · 09-11-2019, 11:53 PM

Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker

Not going to look on an international level but less than half of those living in the Bisphorics of Breda, Den Bosch or Roermond are still actively catholic (mind you: that's Brabant - that's Limburg: Catholic heartland). Utrecht, the traditional seat of Catholicism in the Netherlands, now sees most catholic possessions sold off because few still attend. As for much of the North: they can just as well close up shop.

If they believe in the Dogma and the Doctrine they should start their own church, would much rather see a Dutch people XD, at least the church wouldn't be stealing money and it's finances would be in order.