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    Quote Originally Posted by Osweo View Post
    No fjords, mind! Not nearly enough good harbours.
    You're right. Milford Haven was settled by the Norse.

    Admiral Horatio Nelson, visiting the harbour with the Hamiltons, described it as the next best natural harbour to Trincomalee in Sri Lanka (then Ceylon) and "the finest port in Christendom"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treffie View Post
    That's rubbish. The terrains of Cumbria and North Yorkshire are very similar to that of north Wales, yet there were Viking settlements everywhere.

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    Wales is not all mountains, Carmarthenshire down south is full of lush farmland, the only mountains you'll see are in the far east of the county in the Black Mountain range, yet there is not one substantial Viking settlement in the county.

    Besides, I'm quite sure that seeing that many of the Vikings came from the west of Norway, that the topography of Wales would have been a walk in the park.

    As for Anglesey, there was only one sizable Viking settlement at Llanbedrgoch and that's about it. So much for the topography of Wales being a problem for the Vikings. I'm not interested in personal opinions why the Vikings didn't settle here in large numbers, I would like some historical evidence and so far the evidence points away from the fact that the geography of the place prevented them.
    I was speaking of the Anglo-Saxons there, Angles, Jutes and Saxons all came from areas more similar in terrain to England, flat to rolling hills for the most part.

    The Danes did too who made up the bulk of the Vikings.
    As for why the Norwegian Vikings didn't settle Wales heavily is probably again because of the division of the country and because they had bases in the Northern and Western Isles and Dublin and so probably didn't feel compelled to go to the trouble of fighting many warring nations in Wales.

    As for terrain, the terrain is similar in ways but the hills in England tend to be surrounded by a lot of fertile farmland in Lancashire and the Cumbrian Coast, Solway Firth and Vale of York - the Welsh lowlands aren't as big and there aren't many immediately flat areas surrounding the hills as in England.
    Cumbria also has deep, fertile and wide valleys, Snowdonia and the Cambrians have narrow, steep valleys - arable crops Vs hill farming.

    The question was asking why isn't Wales considered GermanoNordic.

    Treffie, thank you for your posts here. I am confused. Did the Vikings settle Wales at all? Are there any Welsh names with Viking or Germanic origins?
    It would seem to me, based on the Geography of Britain and of Norway, Wales might have been prime landing ground for Viking raiders.
    Geographically it was suitable, they didn't settle because the country was so divided - if they settled they'd have to endeur constant attacks from the other Welsh Kingdoms - a centralised nation can be taken and controlled a lot easier and islands can be defended.
    Hence the Norwegian Vikings went for the Scottish Islands and only really settle in significant numbers in the Isle of Anglessey in Wales.
    There was Norwegian Viking settlement in North West England - the Danelaw and Kingdom of York because squabbling kingdoms weren't there to create a state of total war

    By the way, about the cultural ease of conquest and colonisation in England - the Norse did fine in Ireland and the Western and Northern Isles, it should be said.
    They were assimilated in Scotland, they assimilated the Irish in Ireland but were then assimilated themselves (Norse Gaels).
    In England the two populations were already similar in ways.

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