The Etruscan Civilization in Italy

[Samnium]

Don't start making things up, Etruscans had zero Anatolian admixture. They sit on a cline between Sardinians and Northwest Europeans and plot just south of Iberians.

Well some recent studies show the complete opposite.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0119242

Mitogenomes of recent Near East origin in present-day Tuscans do not show local or regional variation. This points to a demographic scenario that is compatible with a recent arrival of Near Easterners to this region in Italy with no founder events or bottlenecks

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0192567
The overall analysis clearly highlights some peculiarities in the mtDNA gene pool of some Podolian breeds. In particular, a principal component analysis point to a genetic proximity between five breeds (Chianina, Marchigiana, Maremmana, Podolica Italiana and Romagnola) reared in Central Italy and the Turkish Grey. We here propose the suggestive hypothesis of a dual ancestral contribution to the present gene pool of Podolian breeds, one deriving from Eastern European cattle; the other arising from the arrival of Middle Eastern cattle into Central Italy through a different route, perhaps by sea, ferried by Etruscan boats. The historical migration of Podolian cattle from North Eastern Europe towards Italy has not cancelled the mtDNA footprints of this previous ancient migration

Those cattle are bred since the medieval time [29] in an area that largely overlaps with the ancient territory of Etruria. This finding further supports and extends another hypothesis, according to which at least part of the maternal ancestry of those breeds could be related to the Etruscan migration from Lydia, a region on the south-western coast of ancient Anatolia [9]; [35]; [36], [37]; [38].

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25230205

What studies support your opinion that etruscans were near iberians ?

[MinervaItalica]

No, they are not completely different, in fact etruscan paintings showed very anatolian faces, the Sarcophage of Spouses (sacorphago dei spozi) show also that.

We are talking about the genetics and their genotype, etruscan civilization has laid his foundations upon the Villanovian civilization however this not means that etruscans were entirely autochtonous.

The anatolian paintings that you have sent are way too small and blurred to see any facial features (I have already seen this paintings).

Anatolian faces? And what the hell is supposed to be an "Anatolian face"? Etruscan paintings don't depict only natives but probably also foreigners.

Etruscan art examples

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Hittite art examples

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I'm not claiming they were autochthonous but the Anatolia origin is not the only theory...

[Samnium]

Anatolian faces? And what the hell is supposed to be an "Anatolian face"? Etruscan paintings don't depict only natives but probably also foreigners.

Etruscan art examples

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Hittite art examples

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I'm not claiming they were autochthonous but the Anatolia origin is not the only theory...

The paintings from Tarquinia represent mainly etruscans aristocratic families, and more precisely the defunct.

They are not foreigners.

Obviously etruscan art and anatolian art is different but I'm talking about the features of the faces.

[Samnium]

Anatolian faces? And what the hell is supposed to be an "Anatolian face"? Etruscan paintings don't depict only natives but probably also foreigners.

Etruscan art examples

Spoiler!

Hittite art examples

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I'm not claiming they were autochthonous but the Anatolia origin is not the only theory...

The paintings from Tarquinia represent mainly etruscans aristocratic families, and more precisely the defunct.

They are not foreigners.

Obviously etruscan art and anatolian art are different but I'm talking about the features of the faces.

[MinervaItalica]

An Etruscan/Lydian association has long been a subject of conjecture. The Greek historian Herodotus stated that the Etruscans came from Lydia, repeated in Virgil's epic poem the Aeneid, and Etruscan-like language was found on the Lemnos stele from the Aegean Sea island of Lemnos. However, the decipherment of Lydian and its classification as an Anatolian language mean that Etruscan and Lydian were not even part of the same language family. Furthermore, a mitochondrial DNA study (2013) suggests that the Etruscans were probably an indigenous population, showing that Etruscans appear to fall very close to a Neolithic population from Central Europe and to other Tuscan populations, strongly suggesting that the Etruscan civilization developed locally from the Villanovan culture, and genetic links between Tuscany and Anatolia date back to at least 5,000 years ago during the Neolithic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lydia

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An Etruscan/Lydian association has long been a subject of conjecture. The Greek historian Herodotus stated that the Etruscans came from Lydia, repeated in Virgil's epic poem the Aeneid, and Etruscan-like language was found on the Lemnos stele from the Aegean Sea island of Lemnos.However, the decipherment of Lydian and its classification as an Anatolian language mean that Etruscan and Lydian were not even part of the same language family. Furthermore, a mitochondrial DNA study (2013) suggests that the Etruscans were probably an indigenous population, showing that Etruscans appear to fall very close to a Neolithic population from Central Europe and to other Tuscan populations, strongly suggesting that the Etruscan civilization developed locally from the Villanovan culture, and genetic links between Tuscany and Anatolia date back to at least 5,000 years ago during the Neolithic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lydia

The Lydians were one of the main tribes of Etruria, the tribe that gave its name to the geographic region of Tyrrhenia. The Lydian's migrated to Italy in the generation of Lydus (1600 BC). They adopted the name Lydians after Lydus at the same time the Tyrrhenians adopted the name after Tyrrhenus, ie 1610 BC. The Lydians were first called Lydians in 1400 BC.

The Pelasgians were another tribe that lived in Etruria. In fact Etruria is a greek corruption of Tyrrhenia.

The language of the Lemnos inscription is clearly NOT Lydian and neither did the Lydians or Tyrennians set foot on Lemnos at at any time in recorded history. So why would it be Lydian or Etruscan?

There is no historical record of Etruscans on Lemnos. The Pottery is Pelasgian. And the Lydian's never set foot anywhere near Athens. There is not one shred of historical evidence linking the Tyrrhenian Lydians to Lemnos or Athens.

All the ancient historians, every last one of them, say the Pelasgians colonised Tyrrhenia and named their city Athens. Thrrhenian Athens, was a colony which was established by the Pelasgians of Lemnos when they migrated to the geographic region of Thrrhenia.

Pliny says the Umbri were conquered by the Pelasgians from Lemnos and these were conquered by the Lydian Tyrrhenians, presumably after the time of Herodotus.

5. The country has received various names. For from Plinius we learn that
it was first named UMBRIA, for he confirms that the Umbri were expelled from
here by the Pelasgi, and after that it was called PELASGIA. These <in turn>
were expelled by the Lydi, as the same Pliny as well as Trogus testify,
after whose king it was <now> called TYRRHENIA, as Paterculus,
Halicarnassćus, Strabo and Livius have left on record. Soon after that,
because of their ceremony of sacrificing, it was called in the Greek
language TUSCIA. It was also called, as the same Halicarnassćus writes,
RASENA, after a certain Duke or General of the Nation. In Myrsilus, if I am
not mistaken, it is corruptly written <as> Rasenua. Moreover, it was called
COMARA and SALEUMBRONE, if we believe the unreliable Berosus, Annius and
other writers of a similar deceptive nature. "

The above makes it perfectly clear that the Pelasgians from Lemnos or Pelasgi have no relation to the Lydian Tyrrhenians or Lydi. Both peoples were easily differentiated even in Herodotus time 600 years later still.

Herodotus says they worshiped Meonian Gods because Herodotus give *their own account* about where they came from. Not even one ancient historian disputed this fact or contradicted it, the Lydian's agreed with it and never contradicted it. The term Maionians covers Carians and Mysian as well as Lydians. All were descended from Manes.

The Roman historians mention only tribes living in the region of Etruria, The Tyrrhenians were Lydians and had come from Lydia. The Pelasgians and Corinthians came from Greece. Colchians came from Colchis. There were native Italian tribes in Etruria but no Etruscans. There is nothing stated by any Roman historian about any language called Etruscan.

The ”Etruscans” or Etrurians were probably a mixture of all of these as well as Celts.

The inscription is written in Pelasgian Greek before a commonly accepted spelling convention was adopted.
Pelasgians used to live in Attica, Thessaly and Lemnos. Herodotus makes it clear the Pelasgains no matter where they lived spoke the same unique dialect.

Looking at a linguistic map what seems to have occured is that Proto-Greek spilt into several groups in about 1700 BC when the Inachids colonised the Peloponnese while the Iapetids stayed in Hellas (Phthiotis).

The southern Peloponnese was Achaean speaking while in the north Aegialean dialect eventually became Ionic.

Meanwihle in Locris and Aetolia Iapetid Greek became Doric and in Thessaly became Aeolic.

The Pelasgians on the other hand as Herodotus says did not multiply much so their dialect became virtually extinct. He also says all the Hellenic dialects derived from Pelasgian.

Even when the longest inscription in the script is found in Egypt a place where the Etruscans never set foot but were there were colonies of Pelasgians recorded people are so pig ignorant as to calla language which is clearly Pelasgian, Etruscan.