Invite Trump but not Putin? WWII anniversary without Russia is just rewriting history

[Jana]

Germany sooner or later will pay compensation to us anyway, they will not avoid it. Russia as well...

I doubt.

[Blondie]

Germany sooner or later will pay compensation to us anyway, they will not avoid it. Russia as well...

By this logic every european nation can pay compensation for every neighbour country look at history, so don't make me laugh. Poland would be poorer without german companies, investors and money what you get from EU. The complete eastern EU region Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Czechia, Croatia, Romania, Bulgaria live on the german, north italian and north french money.

[Viridian1]

By this logic every european nation can pay compensation for every neighbour country look at history, so don't make me laugh. Poland would be poorer without german companies, investors and money what you get from EU. The complete eastern EU region Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Czechia, Croatia, Romania, Bulgaria live on the german, north italian and north french money.

Do you think Germany doesn't get any profit from their supermarkets or factories in Poland? They are here because of a good heart towards a poor untermench country? No way.

BTW, Germany has paid compensation to Israel and they helped with building the country, like roads and etc. Why? Israel didn't exist in 1939-1945. Germans killed polish citizens of different ethnicities, we had millions of Jews but they were our citizens, not Israel.

[Blondie]

Do you think Germany doesn't get any profit from their supermarkets or factories in Poland? They are here because of a good heart towards a poor untermench country? No way.

BTW, Germany has paid compensation to Israel and they helped with building the country, like roads and etc. Why? Israel didn't exist in 1939-1945. Germans killed polish citizens of different ethnicities, we had millions of Jews but they were our citizens, not Israel.

1. Germany was rich before this EU, Poland was poorer before EU. The EU membership is far more beneficial for Poland.

2. Who said that i agree with compensation to Israel? These compensations makes no sense because every single country did crimes against others.

[Not a Cop]

Germany sooner or later will pay compensation to us anyway, they will not avoid it. Russia as well...

Only after you pay compensations for 1612.

[Not a Cop]

It’s ridiculous to read about the killing of hundreds of millions of people by the Communists. Under Stalin, the Russian population grew steadily, and stagnation occurred only under Khrushchev and beyond. Less than 2% of the population passed through the gulags, and these were not the best people in the country — Western agents, dissidents, and the 5th column.
Under capitalism, millions of people die of hunger around the world (in 2019!), but for some reason it is customary to remain silent about this.
The USSR restrained globalization for 60 years, and this is the true reason for the hatred of the Western "elites" towards Russia, which has not yet completely renounced and, I hope, will not renounce the anti-globalist course.

Like when they found out from occupied Poland that there were about 200 polish agents in SU, when they charged 50 000?

And yes, starvation in Europe in 30-s looked as bad as one in Africa now.

[Longbowman]

Yeah, and you gave Austria and Czeckoslovakia to Hitla.

'Gave'

We let him take them (in Austria's case it was more than voluntary, the Sudetenland also volunteered, and we said that he wasn't allowed to take Moravia but he did anyway). It's not the same as actively taking them ourselves. Don't be disingenuous, we all have skeletons in the closet.

Poland actively invaded Czechoslovakia too, alongside Germany. However, the point was not 'Russians bad, Poland good.' The point was 'why would Poland invite the Russians?' You invaded their country and the Molotov-Ribbentropp pact effected the initial German invasion anyhow. After the war you shifted their territory and cut them off from lands they viewed as integral to their nation, and subjected them to 46 years of communism, propping up their communist government at various points.

Don't be so defensive, I know you're more objective than this.

[Viridian1]

1. Germany was rich before this EU, Poland was poorer before EU. The EU membership is far more beneficial for Poland.

2. Who said that i agree with compensation to Israel? These compensations makes no sense because every single country did crimes against others.

Restitution or reparation. Something of these will happen because both sides care about proper relations. And Germany was richer before EU because they were punished for the war crimes by getting lots of money...

Only after you pay compensations for 1612.

How did Russia suffer from that short conquer by polish-lithuanin king? Lets talk about partitions first 1772-1918. 146 years, then soviet crimes during polish-soviet war, then soviet crimes during WW2 and occupation by USSR from 1944 to 1993.

[Not a Cop]

How did Russia suffer from that short conquer by polish-lithuanin king? Lets talk about partitions first 1772-1918. 146 years, then soviet crimes during polish-soviet war, then soviet crimes during WW2 and occupation by USSR from 1944 to 1993.

Well that russians had to make militia to get freed from Poland?

Anyway the point was what Russia and Poland had too many wars and occupations that talks about reparations could be done untill the next comming. Practical way would be to stop being butthurt and begin a new chapter.

'Gave'

We let him take them (in Austria's case it was more than voluntary, the Sudetenland also volunteered, and we said that he wasn't allowed to take Moravia but he did anyway). It's not the same as actively taking them ourselves. Don't be disingenuous, we all have skeletons in the closet.

Poland actively invaded Czechoslovakia too, alongside Germany. However, the point was not 'Russians bad, Poland good.' The point was 'why would Poland invite the Russians?' You invaded their country and the Molotov-Ribbentropp pact effected the initial German invasion anyhow. After the war you shifted their territory and cut them off from lands they viewed as integral to their nation, and subjected them to 46 years of communism, propping up their communist government at various points.

Don't be so defensive, I know you're more objective than this.

The point was that not inviting Russia turns all this stuff into a masquerage with Germany, Hungary etc. Russia had, atleast nominally renounced soviet past and currently WWII for Russians is a day of rememberance of great sacrifice which was made, not something about communism and/or soviets, and expected to be tread as such.

As for "gave" Hitla's plans for lebenstaum was stated long before and his general attitude was very clear by 1938, so obviously Chamberlain&co had atleast some understanding of where it could all lead.

[Viridian1]

Talk about a new chapter? It's always what a perpetrator wants. To be forgotten and forgiven. Todays Russian leaders don't deserve it, they don't even want it. And I want to drink vodka with a simple russian person. Пока.