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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    Death tool for entire NDH (including modern day Bosnia) is around 300-350 000, and that includes fighters killed in operations against Ustaše, Germans, Partisans etc, includes those died from dieaseases and hungae and ofcourse civilian Srbi victim.It is nowhere close to million and that is why such figues exist only in Serbian sources, which are ofcourse, not valid.

    Chetniks controlled no territory, they had no state to run, they were primitive guerilla force without any logistics and organisation. Which camps could they run ?
    Nevertheless, they had same plan for genocide of non-Serbs as Ustaše did, and they committed such genocidal crimes mostly in eastern Bosnia as was already posted in this thread.

    There is absolutely no difference with huge exception Četniks were much weaker force not in any kind of control and thus genocide they did was on quite smaller scale.
    If they were in position of Ustaše (who rulled one entire country), outcome would be the same.

    I have no problem to say Croatians committed genocide, but so did Serbs and there is evidence to back that up. Unfortunately not many foreigners know about that.
    Overall, I wouldn't equal us.

    It is clear in WW2 Croats killed more Serbs than the opposite, but not because Serbs didn't have similar plans, only because they were not in position to do so.
    We have seen in last wars how Serbs behave, when they are in control, and when they commited bulk of all war crimes in that war.
    Ustashe were prepared for genocide toward the Serbs since 1920s when they are formed in emigration.

    Chetniks were multiethnic loftovers (with Serbian majority) of regular army of kingdom of Yugoslavia which did not surrender to Germans in 1941.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dušan View Post
    Serbs were in position to do that in period 1918-1941. during "great-Serbian hegemony" but, guess what, Serbs didnt commit crimes against others in state that they ruled.
    No, we are not same, and stop relativising crimes of your nation.
    Ofcourse you did. You killed our political leader Stjepan Radić during open Parliament session and ironically that led to birth of Ustaše.
    Serb gendarmerie abused and killed numerous Croat villagers during Royal Dictatorship, they killed several high-ranking Croatian scientists like Ivo Pilar and Milan Sufflay.

    Father of Ustaše war criminal Maks Luburić was also fatally shot by Serb Police Officer which led him to pathologically hate Serbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not a Cop View Post
    Цифры можно по погибшим в ходе переселения?
    Конечных цифр я нигде не видел. Да и вряд ли получится их когда-либо узнать, в Империи со статистикой было не очень. Из 3 миллионов переселенных около 20% вернулись, что уже намекает на несладкую жизнь. Что стало с оставшимися никто не проверял. Кто-то устроился благополучно, как мой прадед. А кто-то вымер с голоду. Видел описания случаев, когда целый поезд переселенцев выбросили без запасов и жилья в сентябре буквально в тайге. У них даже инструментов не было так за зиму процентов 80 вымерло.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    Ustashe were prepared for genocide toward the Serbs since 1920s when they are formed in emigration.
    Chetniks were multiethnic loftovers (with Serbian majority) of regular army of kingdom of Yugoslavia which did not surrender to Germans in 1941.
    And ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    Ofcourse you did. You killed our political leader Stjepan Radić during open Parliament session and ironically that led to birth of Ustaše.
    Serb gendarmerie abused and killed numerous Croat villagers during Royal Dictatorship, they killed several high-ranking Croatian scientists like Ivo Pilar and Milan Sufflay.

    Father of Ustaše war criminal Maks Luburić was also fatally shot by Serb Police Officer which led him to pathologically hate Serbs.
    There are no mass murder of civilians, what Croats did imidiately when get nazi state of Croatia from Hitler.

    You cannot relativise crimes of Croatian nation and make false equality between.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    And ?
    Ustashe = Croatian clerical nazi army with the goal to destroy Serbian population

    Chetniks = Yugoslavian royal multiethnic army with the goal to restore Kingdom of Yugoslavia

    ^^
    Do you see difference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dušan View Post
    There are no mass murder of civilians, what Croats did imidiately when get nazi state of Croatia from Hitler.

    You cannot relativise crimes of Croatian nation and make false equality between.
    You see, I don't relativize at all lol, I wrote million times what they did. It is your problem because you can't seem to deal with crimes Serbs did.
    By the way, Croats didn't start armed rebellion when we joined Yugoslavia, when NDH was formed Serb population started armed rebellion almost immediately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    Ustashe = Croatian clerical nazi army with the goal to destroy Serbian population

    Chetniks = Yugoslavian royal multiethnic army with the goal to restore Kingdom of Yugoslavia

    ^^
    Do you see difference?
    Chetnik goals of cleansing Serb territories of non-Serbs were clearly stated and it is distasteful not to show them as anything but brutal faschist force.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    Chetnik goals of cleansing Serb territories of non-Serbs were clearly stated and it is distasteful not to show them as anything but brutal faschist force.

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