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    Looks much more legit compared to previous studies where the IQs for many countries were extrapolated (e.g. Mongolia's high IQ was based on Chinese Mongols who grow up in a radically different environment - not surprising Mongolia's IQ dropped by over 10 points when it was actually examined). This list isn't nearly as Mongoloid-dominated compared to previous ones. The top 6 are Mongoloid countries (all culturally very similar countries & part of the Sinosphere) and number 15 is Mongoloid, but the overwhelming Mongoloid and heavily-Mongoloid influenced nations seem to have mediocre IQ scores. Also, most ex-USSR countries regardless of race seem to be somewhat close to each other. Shows that the education system plays the main role here. The wealth of the country, culture, and most importantly education system plays a very significant role here as is shown by Uzbekistan having the same IQ as Iraq and Brazil being ahead of Indonesia for example. I still question some of these and how much extrapolation was involved until I see the methodology used for this. Richard Lynn also notes that many countries scores aren't really valid if they're below 60, so this makes me question if some of the "valid ones" are at least impartially invalid, but are posted because they pass the threshold of 60. And if some of these are invalid, then that means a single methodology isn't very applicable to such a wide variety of countries and shouldn't be taken at face value.

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    I also would have expected the gulf states to be higher given their gdp per capitas

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    Admittedly, I didn't look that deep into this, hence I don't know what kind of methodology he used, but considering the pseudo-scientific manner of some of his conclusions it makes you doubt the whole thing. Here's what he concluded in Race Differences in Intelligence: An Evolutionary Analysis from 2015:

    PuntDNAL K15:

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Serbian @ 1.272785

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Serbian +50% Serbian @ 1.272785

    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Serbian +25% Serbian +25% Serbian @ 1.272785

    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Serbian + Serbian + Serbian + Serbian @ 1.272785

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    these people won't get their PhDs anytime soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommonSense View Post
    Admittedly, I didn't look that deep into this, hence I don't know what kind of methodology he used, but considering the pseudo-scientific manner of some of his conclusions it makes you doubt the whole thing. Here's what he concluded in Race Differences in Intelligence: An Evolutionary Analysis from 2015:

    genetic explanations for the IQ differences are bullshit. a good education policy and a society able to absorb highly qualified individuals erases IQ differences in a couple of generations .

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    Srilanka is at 87 and Nepal is 60? I'm wondering why there's so much variation. Srilanka is the richest country by GDP/capita in south asia that could be partially it but the variation and scores are still dubious. Trinidad and Tobago and Mauritius are countries with majority low caste north indian groups from UP/Bihar and they're at 86-87. I'm surprised Vietnam is only 90 while Cambodia is 100. Vietnamese are closer to chinese in culture, education, etc than Cambodians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CommonSense View Post
    Admittedly, I didn't look that deep into this, hence I don't know what kind of methodology he used, but considering the pseudo-scientific manner of some of his conclusions it makes you doubt the whole thing. Here's what he concluded in Race Differences in Intelligence: An Evolutionary Analysis from 2015:

    Obviously a wrong conclusion by him. No recent near eastern genetics in Albanians, Macedonians and Bosnians who have lowest scores in Balkans. It's clearly something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    Obviously a wrong conclusion by him. No recent near eastern genetics in Albanians, Macedonians and Bosnians who have lowest scores in Balkans. It's clearly something else.
    Did you just say no Near Eastern genetics in Albanians, Macedonians, Bosnians lol

    2/3 are Muslim my nigga are you still high off crystal meth?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cumansky View Post
    Did you just say no Near Eastern genetics in Albanians, Macedonians, Bosnians lol

    2/3 are Muslim my nigga are you still high off crystal meth?
    Stupid, Bosnians are genetically almost identical to Croats but have significantly lower IQ score.
    Romanians are not muslims and they also have very bad score, worse than Bosnians.

    Balkan muslims have no foreign admixture for the most part.
    Greece is only SE European country with significant near eastern admixed population (Anatolian Greeks, some Islanders, Cypriots) and they still score higher than fully European Albania and Macedonia in comparison.
    They also have quite bad results, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thambi View Post
    Srilanka is at 87 and Nepal is 60? I'm wondering why there's so much variation. Srilanka is the richest country by GDP/capita in south asia that could be partially it but the variation and scores are still dubious. Trinidad and Tobago and Mauritius are countries with majority low caste north indian groups from UP/Bihar and they're at 86-87. I'm surprised Vietnam is only 90 while Cambodia is 100. Vietnamese are closer to chinese in culture, education, etc than Cambodians.
    The disparity between Sri Lanka and Nepal can easily be explained by the fact that Sri Lanka is the most prosperous South Asian nation whereas Nepal is the opposite.

    T&T is majority Black with a significant Bihari population whereas Mauritius is majority Bihari, true. Compared to Indian Biharis, they grow up in a radically different environment. Even modern Bihar is very backwards by its own standards. When you look at ancient India, Bihar was one of the most prosperous regions but now being called Bihari is almost like an insult. Also, Biharis have significantly more West Eurasian DNA compared to Dravidians but their region is much more backwards, their IQ is probably lower too. If genetics does play a role, it's going to be quite minor.

    True that Vietnam is culturally closer to China, but it's significantly more Westernized and somewhat of an "enemy" to China whereas Cambodia is allies with China so it's more likely to have teachers imported from China and have more education cooperation. They may have also gotten lucky with some good leaders of state that make them significantly different to other Indosphere nations of Southeast Asia. Keep in mind even though Vietnam is lower than China, it's still relative high.

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