Which European language is more strange and isolated?

[Universe]

1. Stop lying, and stop insulting my family! "just focus on the debate"! just pure lying lol show me where i insulted hungarians and stop lying you pathetic troll. I've never said that hungarians are "bad guys"

You wrote to Lawspeakerer eastern europeans have "backwards mentality" and are "more prone to crime" a things like that. Yet you hypocritically try pretend you have moral high ground by accusing me of "looking down on slavs". It's just an accustation nothing more. You're just grasping straws because you're running out of arguments.

you wrote that and half of your comment had nothing to do with this debate

Jajj, mintha nem te kezdted volna a személyeskedést meg a másik lejáratását...

but you said ethnic hungarians are gypsie admixed, gypsie looking many times:

It was a joke, I have admitted that before. I was making fun of Janossy who thinks dark haired people in Hungary are all gypsies.

Swarthy gypsie looking hungarians from your banned prev account:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ans-so-swarthy

And i don't say that this is your x. sock account, you have many banned account because of trolling and harassing others so it was another own goal...

I didn't harass anyone. There was no own goal, stop imagining stuff

2. Your logic makes no sense because this area (where the adoptation happened) was mostly slavic, of course they can adopted thigs from the majority slavs. You have no proof that hungarians used "Kovács" word before it, but if you see the ethnic map of this area (70% slovak, 30% hungarian) it's more possible that slovaks used this name firstly not hungarians.

I have proof:

Where are the hungarian surnames that preserved our old hungarian word for blacksmith? Can you show me? They're nowhere to be found. That means when surnames were introduced in Hungary the kovács was immediately adopted from the hungarian vocabulary as an occupational surname, if we had used another word for blacksmith at the time, we would have adopted that old word as a surname, but we didn't, so Kovács is one of the oldest hungarian surnames dating back to 14th century.

So? Can you reflect on this? Where's the surname that preserve our old word for blacksmith?

3. You have lost, troll.

You can't announce it like that. Your arguments should speak for themselves (unfortunotely for you, they don't)

Why would I be a troll? Because I disagree with you? Kovács was adopted as a surname from hungarian vocabulary. You can't disprove it. However there's evidence to support my case.

[Universe]

Mivel nincsen magyar vezetéknév ami őrizné a kovács szó korábbi magyar változtatát, ezért joggal feltételezhetjük hogy amikor elterjedőben voltak Magyarországon a vezetéknevek akkor már nem létezett ez korábbi változat, hanem lecserélődött kovácsra. Ha nem létezett volna a magyar nyelvben a kovács szó a 13-14. században akkor kellene találnunk olyan vezetékneveket ami a helyette használatos "ősmagyar" kovács helyett használatos szót őrzik. Nem hiába tartja az Elte finnugrisztika tanszéke meg a A Magyar Nyelvtudományi Akadémia is "régi magyar, foglalkozásból eredő" vezetéknévnek a Kovács-ot. Számomra ezt logikus magyarázat a Kovács vezetéknév létezésére a magyar nyelvben

[Blondie]

blah blah

1. Hungarians are central europeans, not eastern europeans:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Europe
So doesn't matter what i wrote to eastern europeans, it has nothing to do with Hungary, neither Slovakia, Poland or Czechia. I have never wrote negative things about those countries.

2. You looked down slovaks because you can't imagine that hungarians adopted anything from these peoples.

3. Here are the hard facts:

1. According to your link the Kovács surname was adopted.
2. The place of adoptation was Upper Hungary today Slovakia which has always been mostly slavic
3. The Kovács word is a slavic word
4. According to their original surname "Báder" the first Kovács surnamed peoples had german ancestry (Zipser germans) which proves many hungarian noble family had non hungarian origin, you can see it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...noble_families
5. You have no proof that the Kovács word was in hungarian vocabulary before 14. century, but if this Báder family adopted it, that means the slovaks already used it, because this region had slavic majority and this word is slavic.

Yes i can't prove exactly that slovaks used Kovács name firstly and you can't prove exactly that hungarians used it before slovaks, that's why i said we should look the ethnic map of this area. The medieval Upper Hungary (Slovakia) was 70% slovak, 30% hungarian, so there is 70% chance that originally it's a slovak surname, and 30% for your hungarian version, that's why i accept the slovak version, and this is my point.

[Finnish Swede]

These might give some idea.

First .... some theories says Basque would be one kind of pre- or proto Indo - European language:





And now we can watch some pictures.












If Basque is one of pre-Indo European languages .... then it is more close to all Indo-European languages vs any of Finno-Ugric languages (incl. Hungarian or Finnish).

But if we opposite believe Basque is not any kind of proto Indo-European language and believe it is under Dene causasian languages ... then Basque is .. no doubt... more distant to Indo-European languages than Finno-Ugric languages












.. or...










Anyway ... in the end it is good to keep this in minds:


Every human has origins which go as far back into the past as any other. And so it is with language.The oldest language in the world, the language with its origins in the most distant past, is the language you are speaking now.

[Universe]

1. Hungarians are central europeans, not eastern europeans:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Europe
So doesn't matter what i wrote to eastern europeans, it has nothing to do with Hungary, neither Slovakia, Poland or Czechia. I have never wrote negative things about those countries.

2. You looked down slovaks because you can't imagine that hungarians adopted anything from these peoples.

3. Here are the hard facts:



Yes i can't prove exactly that slovaks used Kovács name firstly and you can't prove exactly that hungarians used it before slovaks, that's why i said we should look the ethnic map of this area. The medieval Upper Hungary (Slovakia) was 70% slovak, 30% hungarian, so there is 70% chance that originally it's a slovak surname, and 30% for your hungarian version, that's why i accept the slovak version, and this is my point.

Oké, de hogy ha 13-14. századi magyar nyelvben nem létezett a kovács szó, akkor hol van a vezetéknév ami a kovács szó helyett használatos "ősmagyar" változatot őrzi? A kovács vezetéknévet felvették kovács mesterséggel foglalkozó magyar emberek, mert így nevezték a foglalkozásukat magyar nyelven.

[Kostej]

There is no debate that Kovacs is slavic origin word (pretty much every slavic nation has this word in similar form) But if magyar is named kovacs it doesnt necessarily means he is of strong slavic origin. If some magyar national picked smithing in 15 century he was called kovacs even though he was not slav per say. (on the other hand most of today magyars have plenty of slavic blood in them so whats the point)

[Alenka]

Not sure what is so strange in Polish writing system. Diagraphs maybe?
English also have diagraphs and nobody complains.
Polish 'cz' corresponds to English 'ch', and Polish 'sz' corresponds to English 'sh'. There is no magic.

I wasn't complaining about the writing system, just said it makes Polish a bit unique, compared to other Slavic languages. But nothing wrong with that. I don't think it should be changed, it's one of the things that makes Polish Polish. And I find it kind of cute actually.

[Blondie]

Oké, de hogy ha 13-14. századi magyar nyelvben nem létezett a kovács szó, akkor hol van a vezetéknév ami a kovács szó helyett használatos "ősmagyar" változatot őrzi? A kovács vezetéknévet felvették kovács mesterséggel foglalkozó magyar emberek, mert így nevezték a foglalkozásukat magyar nyelven.

If you see the origin of hungarian vocabulary, 40% of hungarian words are indo-european (slav, german, english, latin, greek etc), source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_language
These words were picked up in the last 1000 years. Maybe the Kovács word was part of hungarian language in 11. century, maybe not just after 14. century, nobody knows exactly because unfortunatelly we have very limited hungarian language source from medieval age because the official language was latin, and majority of medieval hungarian (or german, polish, croat etc) nobles used latin as everyday language.

[Cristiano viejo]

Slovakian, Ukrainian and Belarusian are very similar to Polish.

I am zero familiar with these languages. I mean, I also am zero familiar with Polish but as Poland and Poles are more known than those at least I have seen some Polish words here and there, and that is why I included Polish and not Slovakian, Ukrainian or Belarusian.

[CordedWhelp]

I'm at a toss-up between the two Finno-Ugric tongues. I grew up hearing Polish everywhere, so it doesn't feel alien to me (I'm in an area with an extensive Polish and Polish-American disaspora).