Alternate Versailles Treaty accoding to Bobby Martnen!

[TheForeigner]

So Bobby used to have an account on alternatehistory.com, but got banned from there too for some reason. Before getting banned he made many threads with alternate history scenarios, each more unlikely than the next. So here is one of them with his version of the Treaty of Versailles:

Hi!

Here is my first submission - a better, fairer Treaty of Versailles?

Major differences from OTL:
1. Independent, united, Catholic Ireland. Most Protestants choose to return to Scotland and England.

2. Germany is allowed to keep Memel, Danzig, and most of Alsace-Lorraine, losing only the small sliver with a French majority. It is allowed to unite with Austria, which has retained the Sudetenland and South Tyrol. This way, Germany is a lot less likely to get swept up in revanchism and irredentism, and since these territories were ethnically German anyway, it follows the principle of self-determination.

3. Poland is allowed to annex the Zaolzie region, but not Danzig. IMHO, these were better borders for Poland than the post-1945 ones in OTL.

4. White Ruthenia and the Ukraine are granted independence, not so much for ethnocultural reasons (Belorussians and Ukrainians are to Russians as Bavarians and Alsatians are to Germans, especially at this time - the development of a seperate national conciousness is more of a post-WWII development, like in Austria), but more to create a buffer state between Poland and Russia. The Ukraine is granted the Kuban region, which was mostly Ukrainian-identified at the time.

5. Savoy, Nice, Trent, Corsica, and Dalmatia are returned to Italy. Germany/Austria gets to keep the mostly-German South Tyrol.

6. Greece is granted the majority-Greek parts of Northern Epirus, as well as Ottoman Thrace, Constantinople, Ionia, the Straits, and Pontus. Greco-Turkish population transfers happen, just like in OTL.

7. Armenia is granted the historically Armenian land occupied by the Ottomans before the war.

8. Kurdistan is granted independence, with Kurdish land from modern-day Turkey, Syria, and Iraq. No land is taken from neutral Persia.


What do you think?

Is this realistic?

A good idea?

A fair treaty?

PS: Sorry for my crappy mapmaking skills (Map was modified from a very good map by DeviantArt user 1Blomma)


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https://www.alternatehistory.com/for...treaty.416899/

[TheForeigner]

So according to Bobby, the treaty would have been better if it punished winner France and rewarded losing side Germany.

[TheForeigner]

So what are your opinions on his alternate history scenario?

[Ouistreham]

Savoy and Nice to Italy?..
Bobby Martnen est un extraordinaire crétin.

[Jana]

Dalmatia ''returned'' to Italy ? It wasn't Italian before WW1.

According to an analysis of the 1857 census, 318,500 (76.5%) inhabitants were Croats, 77,500 (18.5%) were Serbs, and ca. 20,000 were Italian-speakers (5%)

Are some people imbeciles or just ignorant ?

[noricum]

Quote "...Germany is a lot less likely to get swept up in revanchism and irredentism,.."

This neglects the fact that all countries paricipating in the war were bancrupt when it ended, except the US. Where else could f.e. Britain and France the get the money if not from the loosers? This extraordinay high payments alone would have been enough for the Germans to feed revanchism eventually leading to another war.