Brexit

[Mopi Licinius Crassus]

They should have worked out how they were going to exit the EU first and even after 3 years it's still not sorted. Do the British public even know what they want or how this all works? There is also the problem of different parts of the UK wanting different things. Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to remain and England and Wales voted to leave so it will be interesting to see how this pans out down the track. A hard Brexit is not good for the UK. They need to get their act together and come to some compromise with the different parties in the UK to try and get some deal organised.

interesting that Wales voted to leave, as it's one of the regions of the UK that will be worst hit by Brexit.
Wales exports most of it's produce (lamb, cheese) to other EC countries

truly a case of turkeys voting for xmas !!

[Grace O'Malley]

interesting that Wales voted to leave, as it's one of the regions of the UK that will be worst hit by Brexit.
Wales exports most of it's produce (lamb, cheese) to other EC countries

truly a case of turkeys voting for xmas !!

Yes it's all completely daft. Why wouldn't you want to be part of the EU with the freedom of movement and all the other benefits. They are all European countries so it makes sense to band together to compete with countries like US and China. I think British politicians used the EU as a scapegoat for their problems so it will be interesting to see what happens now with Brexit. Does anyone have any qualms with the leaders that Britain presently has?

[Finnish Swede]

That's not the fault of Brexit voters, that's the fault of the politicians who were never committed to it and were actively against it from day one. The British people voted for Brexit, it hasn't been delivered, that is what all the chaos comes from. .

Yes, voters got exactly what they voted for. A chaos!

And outcomes of possible hard Brexit? Even stronger/deeper/long lasting chaos.

[Finnish Swede]

Yes, voters got exactly what they voted for. A chaos!

And outcomes of possible hard Brexit? Even stronger/deeper/long lasting chaos.

Creoda: Only USA (via NATO, not even USA via pure economy politics) could dictate terms/rules to EU. No Britain. British voters should have seen/known/understood that before they voted for/against Brexit. And what comes to hard Brexit ... it will happen in one night and nobody knows surely even today (many months later) what it will really mean (all levels). Starting simply from that ... surely it will increase chaos ... a lot.

So which part of my text above deserved your Thumb down? Your own hurt feelings? I know ... little man.

[Bellbeaking]

Dominic Cummings supports Brexit because it will 'shake things up'. Britain as it stands is a stable country, with a institutionally conservative establishment that loves stability and control. But right now Britain is in stable decline in the long run and with nothing to radically change the political system will continue in that direction. Brexit at least affords the possibility of re-designing our government and country in such a way that allows us to create a better nation.

We should take the best aspects of the USA: Liberty, toughness on crime, strong property rights, strong buisnesses. And the best aspects of Europe; technological integration, good public infrastructure, modern and efficient institutions. Instead we seem to have taken the worst of both worlds; European authoritarianism and welfare with american corporatism, consumerism and inefficiency. We are on the dawn of AI and embryo selection, the two most important technologies of the century and need to be poised to take advantage of them, Britain could easily become a central nation in pioneering the genetic revolution and make a lot of money doing so. Cummings understands this (we read the same blogs) and wants to make STEM a priority.

We are in a position to make this a reality post Brexit. Yes, obviously the Brexit ref fell short on the facts. There is no reason for immigration to improve post Brexit as a result of being outside the EU; EU immigration was historically more white and less of a net drain. Yes, the immigration we had control over was less of a drain than that we didn't have any control over (or in reality choose not to control - the Netherlands had more restrictions on inter EU migration for example). This tells us not that the EU is bad but that there is something rotten in the British establishment, Brexit is an opportunity to smash it to pieces.

Of course a very likely reality of Brexit is the following:
- More non EU immigration - more Muslims coming to the UK. Especially if a labour gov gets in but the Tories I am sure wouldn't limit Muslim immigration either
- shit trade deals with nations that will exploit us like china and the USA
- more poverty and business leaving
- Hegemony of an authoritarian and PC conservative parliment that exists to ensure short term stability; to ensure the boomers get their pensions and their landowner voters are content with their property revenues. To ensure there is enough migration to maintain a slave class that can be employed for peanuts, To ensure no one causes too much chaos, no one says anything too un-pc, to ensure that Britain just declines into a shitter country until its truly irrelevant in 100 years.
- Scots/NI gone.

Trust in Cummings, he isn't popular with the media though, and if he is gone I think we are fucked.

[Graham]

Yes it's all completely daft. Why wouldn't you want to be part of the EU with the freedom of movement and all the other benefits. They are all European countries so it makes sense to band together to compete with countries like US and China. I think British politicians used the EU as a scapegoat for their problems so it will be interesting to see what happens now with Brexit. Does anyone have any qualms with the leaders that Britain presently has?

With places like Wales and Northern England it is probably more than just about the EU. The distance to the London establishment and towns that have lost their community centres. The feel of neglection and the chance to go against the establishment, at the time of the vote the government and labour both were in the remain side. These feelings get entrenched over time.

You could argue it is similar in Scotland, but we do it in a different way.

[Bellbeaking]

Yes it's all completely daft. Why wouldn't you want to be part of the EU with the freedom of movement and all the other benefits. They are all European countries so it makes sense to band together to compete with countries like US and China. I think British politicians used the EU as a scapegoat for their problems so it will be interesting to see what happens now with Brexit. Does anyone have any qualms with the leaders that Britain presently has?

Continentalism was the great compromise between globalism and nationalism. But the EU elites decided that they wanted to be multicultural globalists anyway instead of fostering any kind of European nationalism. The refugee crisis was certainly the nail in the coffin when it came to ensuring brexit won the referendum. Of course more of those people (muslims) will come to the UK post brexit anyway, but its the sentiment, not the facts that ultimately matter.

With places like Wales and Northern England it is probably more than just about the EU. The distance to the London establishment and towns that have lost their community centres. The feel of neglection and the chance to go against the establishment, at the time of the vote the government and labour both were in the remain side. These feelings get entrenched over time.

You could argue it is similar in Scotland, but we do it in a different way.

Pretty much

[Finnish Swede]

There are lots of problems with EU, but is the immigration issue (which is often on the table) really the biggest one? Is it originally caused by EU? We know wars/actions which put those people moving at the first place? EU had very tiny roles on those events. Plus even without EU the geography of Europe and Earth would still be the same. Poorer people from Middle East, West Asia and Africa would still try to get inside of Europe. And they still will if EU will collapse one day. Would EU's so called front/border countries simply shoot those people (if EU would not exits)? I doubt that. That is against morals & values of Europeans. Being so much longer time than EU has existed.

Nope ... the bigger problems with EU are:

1.) Incapacity of making any decisions. Internal structures of EU makes that almost impossible. Small countries keeps up their rights to influence every decisions. They don't trust the bigger countries. And wise so, as bigger countries (or basically every country) is looking and protecting just its own interests/benefits. There are no agenda/ideology/thoughts to best of whole Europe and to all Europeans. And probably there will never be one. European nations mutual relationships and histories are too ''painful'' and complicated for that.

2.) Too different kind of countries are members of EU. EU spread too fast, too far into Eastern Europe. No doubt those decisions back then based purely into political reasons ... and not economical ones (were those countries ready to jump in or not). And if we are looking that inside of EU now ... those decisions have caused ''problems''. For example too much migration inside of Europe (from East to West).

I don't know quickly any extremely important products etc. which EU would directly need from Britain. Something which EU will/can/could produce by itself. If/then Britain leaves from EU ... the biggest lost is to loose big internal market area (via tax benefits). Of course it is same to Britain (and their products). Another matter is huge investment & bank sector which is focused into UK (Europe level). Stepping out from market area (EU) ... the global money will follow and find place/location where it can operate the most cost-efficient ways. That will not be anymore UK / London.

[frankhammer]

An interesting take on the current political situation. Aussies are humorous af.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work...693eab4dc0f03e

[Creoda]

Creoda: Only USA (via NATO, not even USA via pure economy politics) could dictate terms/rules to EU. No Britain. British voters should have seen/known/understood that before they voted for/against Brexit. And what comes to hard Brexit ... it will happen in one night and nobody knows surely even today (many months later) what it will really mean (all levels). Starting simply from that ... surely it will increase chaos ... a lot.

So which part of my text above deserved your Thumb down? Your own hurt feelings? I know ... little man.

Mind your own business little girl. British people have been denied their democratic will and they did not vote to still be in the EU over 6 months after they were promised to be out and over 3 years since they voted to leave.