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    Alans migrated to to Hispania and they were mixed with the Huns, this may have your connection rather than Askenazi

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    Well, his paternal ancestor have nothing to do with Amerindians, L330 can't be seen among them since they migrated back to Eurasia and didn't pass Bering.

    You are most probably belong this clade:

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-YP4549/

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    1. L330 is common among Jews, so i wouldn't miss this option. The individual in yfull from ENG is also Jewish.
    2. Mystical heritage from random Steppe folk.

    If you have your autosomal results it might help us to predict possible scenarios. Do you have any y matches on FTDNA? Despite we are in the same sub-branch our STR results are pretty different for the first 12 marker, half-half.

    14 25 13 10 15-16 12 12 12 14 14 31
    13 24 13 10 15-17 12 12 14 13 14 29
    It's not common and Rose may not be Jewish. Ethnic DNA projects are filled with people from other ethnicities, many of whom join out of curiosity. Also his ancestor lived in England with the name Rose during the 1700's - atypical for a Jew.
    Last edited by Pine; 09-13-2019 at 05:09 PM.

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    I’ve done the Big Y700 since March 26 and still I haven’t gotten my results yet, but there has been many setbacks and test failures and I might-(depending on my DNA sample)-need another kit to give another cheek swab for more adequate DNA to get the results before the end of September or October.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Javiberius View Post
    I’ve done the Big Y700 since March 26 and still I haven’t gotten my results yet, but there has been many setbacks and test failures and I might-(depending on my DNA sample)-need another kit to give another cheek swab for more adequate DNA to get the results before the end of September or October.
    Let us know about the updates on your result.
    qpAdm: Bulgarian_1.DG= 77 - Kimak.SG= 23, p= 0.36, se= 0.31.
    Y: Q-L330 > Q-YP771 > Q-BZ180 > Q-F16045* (F15008*) --> Baikal N, Altai MLBA, Aldy-Bel, Pazyryk, Hun.
    MT: K1a --> Iron Gates, Starcevo, Bulgaria N, Bulgaria CA, Bulgaria BA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pine View Post
    Most Western Jewish (Ashkenazi and Sephardi) Q's are Q-L245. It's clearly Middle Eastern. Its phylogeny even fits well with the story of Abraham. Jewish Khazars, who are contested to have even existed, had no genetic impact on modern Jews. Red hair plays a mythological role and has been attributed to various foreign/enemy groups in ancient times. Thracians were supposed to be red haired. Judas was/is depicted as a redhead. etc. As for Jewish redheads, they've always existed. Red hair exists in every major Jewish group (Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Mizrachi, and I've even seen a woman who probably a Yemenite Jew with red hair). Red hair is attested in ancient Jewish texts and Samaritans, who've never left Israel, have 6% of redheads. My beard has some ruddy hairs in it and my sibling had an auburn/ginger tint when younger. I checked my raw DNA for the north European mutations associated with red hair; I am negative on both alleles on all the primary mutations. On the secondary mutations, it's the same picture, but with one exception, where I'm positive on one allele of one mutation. While European admixture sometimes helps cause red hair in Jews, the main origin is Israelite.
    You're wrong, Q-L245 is linked to R1a and the indo-aryan expansions. Came to the Middle East much later than the Semitic fairytales was formed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balthier View Post
    You're wrong, Q-L245 is linked to R1a and the indo-aryan expansions. Came to the Middle East much later than the Semitic fairytales was formed.
    TMRCA for Q-L245 Jews, Arabs and others is 4000ybp - the time of Abraham. Which ethnicity is your Q-L245 from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pine View Post
    TMRCA for Q-L245 Jews, Arabs and others is 4000ybp - the time of Abraham. Which ethnicity is your Q-L245 from?
    TMRCA!=Date of Arrival, Q2b originates in the Central Asian Steppe, indo-iranians mixed with them and took them down to the Middle East. Abraham didn't exist. Moses is a myth. The only, ONLY native Semitic y-dna haplogroup is E1b, the rest arrived muuch later such as J1 from Caucasia, Q from Central Asia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balthier View Post
    TMRCA!=Date of Arrival, Q2b originates in the Central Asian Steppe, indo-iranians mixed with them and took them down to the Middle East. Abraham didn't exist. Moses is a myth. The only, ONLY native Semitic y-dna haplogroup is E1b, the rest arrived muuch later such as J1 from Caucasia, Q from Central Asia.
    What about haplogroup G1?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balthier View Post
    TMRCA!=Date of Arrival, Q2b originates in the Central Asian Steppe, indo-iranians mixed with them and took them down to the Middle East. Abraham didn't exist. Moses is a myth. The only, ONLY native Semitic y-dna haplogroup is E1b, the rest arrived muuch later such as J1 from Caucasia, Q from Central Asia.
    This is getting silly. There are branches of Q-L245 which were formed 4000 years ago and contain no "indo-aryans" on them (ex Q-Y2998,Q-BZ9 etc). It has clearly been around for the Middle East for a while. Let's see the mental gymnastics you'll do to demonstrate that it's a recent arrival. The historicity of Abraham or Moses is utterly irrelevant. Abraham is a key figure in the Jewish origin story. Therefore, if Q-L245 was present in Levant around his time, as is evidenced by Q-Y2209*(and shares an ancestor with an Iraqi 4k YBP), then it's a founding Jewish lineage and cannot be considered an introgression in the slightest. This happens to be in line with one narrative of Abraham, where he's a Chaldean. His actual historicity doesn't matter. You can call Q-L245 indo-aryan, indo-iranian - however far back you need to go to deal with the Middle Eastern cooties caused by your OWD. The ultimate source of J and Q don't matter, because they were in the Levant for the ethnogenesis of the Jewish people. As an aside, it's silly to call E1b Semitic, as it's prevalent in West Africa. What you mean is that it predated other lineages in the Levant. Sure, but it's irrelevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pine View Post
    This is getting silly. There are branches of Q-L245 which were formed 4000 years ago and contain no "indo-aryans" on them (ex Q-Y2998,Q-BZ9 etc). It has clearly been around for the Middle East for a while. Let's see the mental gymnastics you'll do to demonstrate that it's a recent arrival. The historicity of Abraham or Moses is utterly irrelevant. Abraham is a key figure in the Jewish origin story. Therefore, if Q-L245 was present in Levant around his time, as is evidenced by Q-Y2209*(and shares an ancestor with an Iraqi 4k YBP), then it's a founding Jewish lineage and cannot be considered an introgression in the slightest. This happens to be in line with one narrative of Abraham, where he's a Chaldean. His actual historicity doesn't matter. You can call Q-L245 indo-aryan, indo-iranian - however far back you need to go to deal with the Middle Eastern cooties caused by your OWD. The ultimate source of J and Q don't matter, because they were in the Levant for the ethnogenesis of the Jewish people. As an aside, it's silly to call E1b Semitic, as it's prevalent in West Africa. What you mean is that it predated other lineages in the Levant. Sure, but it's irrelevant.
    All this talk, provide me with a study, all the studies that have been done in on Q-L275 branches in the ME (which is Q-L245) point out that when indo-iranians migrated to the middle east from central Asia, they assimilated the q individuals and brought them together with them. You can look at the Andronovo culture if you really wanna know more about it. I don't know who exactly did this, maybe it was the Medes and their ancestors, it's not the point. the point is that you're wrong and Q-L245 definetely joined to the Semitic peoples much later in history. i don't wann hear your biased bullshit any longer. There is a reason Q-L245 found mostly in Persians, you know.

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