About “west Asian” component in Eurogenes

[Kyp]

East_Med peaks in Yemenite Jews
West_asian peaks in Caucasus populations.
Red_sea in Saudis, Bedouins and Yemenite Jews also high in North & East africa

Make of it what you want.

[hussein khan]

I see a lot of middle eastern people from Fertile Crescent share up to 20% to West Asian component, Lebanese Muslim around 22-26%, Lebanese Christian-19-22%, Syrian-20-28%, Iraqi arabs-25-30%, Iraqi Christians 30-36%, Kurds around 37-40%, Armenians 38-40%, Kurd Jews and Iranian Jews around 30%.

I know that have people from Caucasus like Georgians have more than 50%, but I think west Asian it’s very present in Mesopotamia, south to north and all ethnicities from Iraq have up than 28% of West Asian component. I see the Assyrians (indigenous people from Iraq), all of them have around 34-35%. My question is if this componente can be a Mesopotamian component?

Thing about west asian is as the turkish member said, heavily CHG-shifted. Kurds and iranians are more CHG shifted than lebanese are, hence why the higher "west asian". But that doesnt mean theyre more caucasus-shifted. Its just the fact that groups like lebanese get less "wast asian" due to their fact that their caucasus component goes to other components, such as east med. '

CHG/gedrosia is also peaked in groups like balochs(theyre an ethnicity from south east iran to south west pakistan....no, theyre not punjabis or indians. Theyre iranics and different from rest of the pakis). I can demonstrate it for you:

Here is k13 eurogenes. It has the component called "west asian". This is what happens when both the baloch, lebanese and iranian runs their kit:

Kurd/west iranian:

Population
North_Atlantic 4.43 Pct
Baltic 4.43 Pct
West_Med 8.77 Pct
West_Asian 37.04 Pct
East_Med 30.42 Pct
Red_Sea 3.01 Pct
South_Asian 4.77 Pct
East_Asian 2.66 Pct
Siberian 1.46 Pct
Amerindian 1.22 Pct
Oceanian 0.48 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 1.31 Pc


A lebanese christian:


Population
North_Atlantic 4.43 Pct
Baltic -
West_Med 12.16 Pct
West_Asian 19.82 Pct
East_Med 48.94 Pct
Red_Sea 11.53 Pct
South_Asian 1.83 Pct
East_Asian 1.08 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.21 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan


And a pak baloch:

Population
North_Atlantic -
Baltic 0.79 Pct
West_Med -
West_Asian 57.35 Pct
East_Med 6.55 Pct
Red_Sea 5.25 Pct
South_Asian 25.15 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.88 Pct
Oceanian 0.34 Pct
Northeast_African 0.62 Pct
Sub-Saharan 3.07 P

Now, it seems like the most west asian shifted group here is the pak baloch, although the formers are actually west asians. But as told before, west asian is heavily gedrosia/CHG-shifted.

Now, lets try with a calc that doesnt has the component "west asian", but instead divided it to "baloch"(just called baloch, because it peaks the most in balochs) and "caucasian".

Lets try harrappaworld:

PAK-Baloch:

# Population Percent
1 Baloch 61.79
2 SW-Asian 14.05
3 Caucasian 12.23
4 S-Indian 6.97
5 W-African 2.3
6 Papuan 1.09
7 San 0.75
8 Beringian 0.4
9 American 0.32
10 E-African 0.09


the kurd/west iranian:

Population
S-Indian 0.60 Pct
Baloch 23.64 Pct
Caucasian 41.09 Pct
NE-Euro 6.75 Pct
SE-Asian 0.09 Pct
Siberian 1.11 Pct
NE-Asian 3.60 Pct
Papuan 0.26 Pct
American 0.07 Pct
Beringian 1.01 Pct
Mediterranean 9.96 Pct
SW-Asian 10.68 Pct
San -
E-African -
Pygmy 1.13 Pct
W-African -


The lebanese christian:


Population
S-Indian 0.54 Pct
Baloch 13.40 Pct
Caucasian 41.92 Pct
NE-Euro 1.68 Pct
SE-Asian 0.80 Pct
Siberian -
NE-Asian -
Papuan 0.58 Pct
American -
Beringian -
Mediterranean 15.18 Pct
SW-Asian 25.91 Pct
San -
E-African -
Pygmy -
W-African

As it shows in harrappaworld, baloch is no longer the most west asian-shifted group. Lebanese(although they can even get up to 50% caucasian, which i never seen for west iranians/kurds) is the most caucasian-shifted one and the kurd is almost equally as caucasian-shifted. The kurd here is just more baloch/gedrosia/CHG-shifted.
Its the same case with other calcs, that are doing the same thing: putting CHG with caucasus and label it as west asian.

Also the reason why i prefer harrappaworld over many other calcs-

[Cumansky]

No. I score 10% West Asian for example, and I cluster in Central Europe. It's CHG component. Yamnaya was half west asian.

You got all your West Asian from Yamnaya?

[Cumansky]

West Asian a Gedrosian component, Moroccan won't score West Asian where do you see it:

Population Percent
1 West_Med 28.58
2 East_Med 20.8
3 Red_Sea 18.17
4 Sub-Saharan 12.17
5 Northeast_African 11.18
6 North_Atlantic 9.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moroccan 6.36
2 Mozabite_Berber 6.83
3 Algerian 9.17
4 Tunisian 10.92
5 Egyptian 24.69
6 Algerian_Jewish 25.41
7 Libyan_Jewish 25.88
8 Tunisian_Jewish 27.08
9 West_Sicilian 27.41
10 East_Sicilian 27.63
11 Sephardic_Jewish 27.92
12 Italian_Jewish 28.3
13 South_Italian 28.55
14 Bedouin 28.7
15 Ashkenazi 28.97
16 Central_Greek 29.81
17 Tuscan 30.2
18 Italian_Abruzzo 30.52
19 Greek_Thessaly 31.19
20 Jordanian 31.48

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.5% Moroccan + 3.5% Yoruban @ 5.13
2 96.2% Moroccan + 3.8% Mandenka @ 5.16
3 96.2% Moroccan + 3.8% Bantu_S.W. @ 5.21
4 96.1% Moroccan + 3.9% Bantu_S.E. @ 5.23
5 96.1% Moroccan + 3.9% Biaka_Pygmy @ 5.31
6 95.9% Moroccan + 4.1% Luhya @ 5.39
7 95.9% Moroccan + 4.1% Bantu_N.E. @ 5.41
8 96.1% Moroccan + 3.9% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 5.54
9 96.3% Moroccan + 3.7% San @ 5.72
10 63.7% Moroccan + 36.3% Mozabite_Berber @ 6.11
11 97.8% Moroccan + 2.2% Sudanese @ 6.15
12 95.9% Moroccan + 4.1% Sardinian @ 6.2
13 97.7% Moroccan + 2.3% Sandawe @ 6.21
14 98.2% Moroccan + 1.8% Ethiopian_Anuak @ 6.22
15 97.5% Moroccan + 2.5% French_Basque @ 6.23
16 98.1% Moroccan + 1.9% Maasai @ 6.25
17 98.6% Moroccan + 1.4% Hadza @ 6.28
18 98.3% Moroccan + 1.7% Southwest_French @ 6.32
19 98.4% Moroccan + 1.6% Spanish_Cantabria @ 6.32
20 98.9% Moroccan + 1.1% Spanish_Aragon @ 6.34

Turks will score West Asian ofcourse even if they are Levantine shifted, West Asian is ancestral to them:

Population Percent
1 East_Med 24.62
2 West_Asian 20.61
3 South_Asian 9.82
4 West_Med 8.97
5 Red_Sea 8.19
6 North_Atlantic 8.02
7 Baltic 6.37
8 Siberian 4.46
9 Northeast_African 4.16
10 East_Asian 3.2
11 Oceanian 0.94
12 Sub-Saharan 0.65

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish 12.42
2 Azeri 14.26
3 Syrian 16.58
4 Turkmen 16.61
5 Lebanese_Muslim 17.41
6 Iranian 18.38
7 East_Sicilian 18.6
8 Central_Greek 19.07
9 Ashkenazi 19.27
10 Jordanian 19.44
11 Kurdish 19.48
12 South_Italian 19.86
13 Iranian_Jewish 19.96
14 Assyrian 19.99
15 Sephardic_Jewish 20.25
16 Italian_Abruzzo 20.49
17 Georgian_Jewish 20.51
18 Cyprian 20.58
19 Libyan_Jewish 20.8
20 Tunisian_Jewish 20.88

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53% Libyan_Jewish + 47% Afghan_Tadjik @ 4.17
2 54% Libyan_Jewish + 46% Tadjik @ 4.71
3 52.9% Tunisian_Jewish + 47.1% Afghan_Tadjik @ 4.74
4 51.4% Tadjik + 48.6% Egyptian @ 5.26
5 53.9% Tunisian_Jewish + 46.1% Tadjik @ 5.3
6 53.3% Palestinian + 46.7% Tadjik @ 5.82
7 55.9% Jordanian + 44.1% Tadjik @ 5.84
8 64.8% Tunisian_Jewish + 35.2% Burusho @ 6
9 52.4% Afghan_Tadjik + 47.6% Egyptian @ 6.07
10 58.8% Libyan_Jewish + 41.2% Afghan_Pashtun @ 6.07
11 64.9% Libyan_Jewish + 35.1% Burusho @ 6.09
12 65.7% Turkmen + 34.3% Moroccan @ 6.11
13 53.2% Bedouin + 46.8% Tadjik @ 6.12
14 64.6% Turkmen + 35.4% Algerian @ 6.16
15 64.1% Turkmen + 35.9% Tunisian @ 6.19
16 58.8% Tunisian_Jewish + 41.2% Afghan_Pashtun @ 6.39
17 52.1% Algerian_Jewish + 47.9% Afghan_Tadjik @ 6.44
18 52.3% Palestinian + 47.7% Afghan_Tadjik @ 6.47
19 53.9% Sephardic_Jewish + 46.1% Afghan_Tadjik @ 6.53
20 55% Jordanian + 45% Afghan_Tadjik @ 6.59

Slavs who withstand medieval Ottoman incursions, they don't score much West Asian even if they are Levantine shifted, Davidski has us over 50% Yamnaya derived and 1.7% West Asian:

Population Percent
1 Baltic 45.95
2 North_Atlantic 24.29
3 East_Med 11.25
4 West_Med 10.66
5 Sub-Saharan 3.08
6 West_Asian 1.7
7 Siberian 1.67
8 Red_Sea 0.72
9 Northeast_African 0.6
10 Oceanian 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_Russian 7.64
2 Ukrainian 8.21
3 Estonian_Polish 8.47
4 Belorussian 9.04
5 Ukrainian_Belgorod 9.11
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.22
7 Russian_Smolensk 9.39
8 South_Polish 9.55
9 Polish 9.7
10 Kargopol_Russian 11.8
11 Croatian 11.88
12 Lithuanian 12.74
13 Erzya 12.89
14 Estonian 13.73
15 Moldavian 14.05
16 East_Finnish 14.99
17 Finnish 15.08
18 Hungarian 15.87
19 Southwest_Finnish 16.28
20 East_German 18.34

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.4% Estonian_Polish + 11.6% Tunisian @ 5.43
2 87.4% Belorussian + 12.6% Tunisian @ 5.56
3 81.2% Lithuanian + 18.8% Tunisian @ 5.63
4 80.4% Lithuanian + 19.6% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.67
5 88.7% Estonian_Polish + 11.3% Algerian @ 5.68
6 88.9% Estonian_Polish + 11.1% Mozabite_Berber @ 5.7
7 88.2% Estonian_Polish + 11.8% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.71
8 89.8% Estonian_Polish + 10.2% Egyptian @ 5.71
9 86.5% Estonian_Polish + 13.5% Ashkenazi @ 5.77
10 77.7% Lithuanian + 22.3% Ashkenazi @ 5.78
11 87.8% Belorussian + 12.2% Mozabite_Berber @ 5.8
12 87.7% Belorussian + 12.3% Algerian @ 5.83
13 89.2% Estonian_Polish + 10.8% Tunisian_Jewish @ 5.9
14 88.6% Estonian_Polish + 11.4% Italian_Jewish @ 5.91
15 89.2% Estonian_Polish + 10.8% Libyan_Jewish @ 5.92
16 87.3% Belorussian + 12.7% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.92
17 90.4% Estonian_Polish + 9.6% Samaritan @ 5.96
18 89.4% Estonian_Polish + 10.6% Moroccan @ 5.98
19 90.6% Estonian_Polish + 9.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 5.99
20 80.8% Lithuanian + 19.2% Italian_Jewish @ 6

Converted European Jews from Steppe with Q Y-DNA marker have West Asian signal somewhat in their result:

Population Percent
1 East_Med 35.52
2 North_Atlantic 18.79
3 West_Med 17.85
4 West_Asian 9.65
5 Baltic 7.69
6 Red_Sea 5.84
7 Northeast_African 1.72
8 Siberian 1.57
9 East_Asian 0.94
10 Oceanian 0.44

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ashkenazi 4.16
2 Italian_Jewish 6.84
3 East_Sicilian 7.43
4 Sephardic_Jewish 7.62
5 South_Italian 7.94
6 West_Sicilian 7.99
7 Algerian_Jewish 8.7
8 Central_Greek 8.91
9 Italian_Abruzzo 9.47
10 Tunisian_Jewish 10.83
11 Libyan_Jewish 11.67
12 Greek_Thessaly 12.43
13 Tuscan 13.46
14 Cyprian 16.38
15 Lebanese_Muslim 19.31
16 North_Italian 19.88
17 Bulgarian 20.29
18 Syrian 20.36
19 Palestinian 21.16
20 Samaritan 21.29

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.7% Italian_Jewish + 11.3% Finnish @ 2.3
2 88.2% Italian_Jewish + 11.8% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.33
3 89% Italian_Jewish + 11% East_Finnish @ 2.46
4 89.1% Italian_Jewish + 10.9% La_Brana-1 @ 2.52
5 87.9% Italian_Jewish + 12.1% North_Swedish @ 2.56
6 89.1% Italian_Jewish + 10.9% Estonian @ 2.65
7 84.2% Italian_Jewish + 15.8% Hungarian @ 2.8
8 88.4% Italian_Jewish + 11.6% Belorussian @ 2.82
9 87% Italian_Jewish + 13% South_Polish @ 2.89
10 88.4% Italian_Jewish + 11.6% Estonian_Polish @ 2.98
11 87.9% Italian_Jewish + 12.1% Southwest_Russian @ 2.98
12 88.7% Italian_Jewish + 11.3% Kargopol_Russian @ 3
13 89.5% Italian_Jewish + 10.5% Lithuanian @ 3.01
14 88% Italian_Jewish + 12% Polish @ 3.02
15 88.4% Italian_Jewish + 11.6% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.04
16 88.1% Italian_Jewish + 11.9% Swedish @ 3.08
17 88% Italian_Jewish + 12% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.09
18 80.7% Italian_Jewish + 19.3% Serbian @ 3.1
19 87.4% Italian_Jewish + 12.6% Ukrainian @ 3.11
20 85.1% Italian_Jewish + 14.9% Austrian @ 3.14

[Jana]

You got all your West Asian from Yamnaya?

I don't think so, there is extra West Asian in SE Europeans that arrived later, probably from Anatolia.

[Cumansky]

I don't think so, there is extra West Asian in SE Europeans that arrived later, probably from Anatolia.

When did arrive and what culture can you pinpoint? My Father has more than me West Asian

[Jana]

When did arrive and what culture can you pinpoint? My Father has more than me West Asian

I am not really sure. Maybe some Iron Age migration. Because for example Greeks, Albanians and South Italians have highest CHG in Europe, but low Yamnaya.

[Cumansky]

I am not really sure. Maybe some Iron Age migration. Because for example Greeks, Albanians and South Italians have highest CHG in Europe, but low Yamnaya.

I assume must be late migration to Greece, Italy and Albania because Farmer derived Sardinians don't score any West Asian, and that was the substrate always found in the Balkans, West Asian was brought with Turkish rapes and Jewish medieval migrations:

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 56.16
2 East_Med 21.22
3 North_Atlantic 20.84
4 Red_Sea 1.31
5 Sub-Saharan 0.35
6 East_Asian 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sardinian 4.42
2 Spanish_Andalucia 30.86
3 North_Italian 31.53
4 Tuscan 32.24
5 Spanish_Extremadura 32.62
6 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 32.68
7 Spanish_Valencia 32.77
8 Spanish_Aragon 32.92
9 West_Sicilian 33.2
10 Spanish_Cantabria 33.43
11 Spanish_Murcia 33.58
12 Southwest_French 33.8
13 Spanish_Galicia 34.09
14 Portuguese 34.2
15 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 34.6
16 South_Italian 34.84
17 Spanish_Cataluna 35.24
18 Algerian_Jewish 35.68
19 East_Sicilian 35.97
20 Central_Greek 36.27

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 100% Sardinian + 0% Abhkasian @ 4.42
2 100% Sardinian + 0% Adygei @ 4.42
3 100% Sardinian + 0% Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.42
4 100% Sardinian + 0% Afghan_Tadjik @ 4.42
5 100% Sardinian + 0% Afghan_Turkmen @ 4.42
6 100% Sardinian + 0% Aghan_Hazara @ 4.42
7 100% Sardinian + 0% Algerian @ 4.42
8 100% Sardinian + 0% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.42
9 100% Sardinian + 0% Altaian @ 4.42
10 100% Sardinian + 0% Armenian @ 4.42
11 100% Sardinian + 0% Ashkenazi @ 4.42
12 100% Sardinian + 0% Assyrian @ 4.42
13 100% Sardinian + 0% Austrian @ 4.42
14 100% Sardinian + 0% Austroasiatic_Ho @ 4.42
15 100% Sardinian + 0% Azeri @ 4.42
16 100% Sardinian + 0% Balkar @ 4.42
17 100% Sardinian + 0% Balochi @ 4.42
18 100% Sardinian + 0% Bangladeshi @ 4.42
19 100% Sardinian + 0% Bantu_N.E. @ 4.42
20 100% Sardinian + 0% Bantu_S.E. @ 4.42

[Kyp]

I am not really sure. Maybe some Iron Age migration. Because for example Greeks, Albanians and South Italians have highest CHG in Europe, but low Yamnaya.

Croats are iranics confirmed

[Seya]

I assume must be late migration to Greece, Italy and Albania because Farmer derived Sardinians don't score any West Asian, and that was the substrate always found in the Balkans:

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 56.16
2 East_Med 21.22
3 North_Atlantic 20.84
4 Red_Sea 1.31
5 Sub-Saharan 0.35
6 East_Asian 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sardinian 4.42
2 Spanish_Andalucia 30.86
3 North_Italian 31.53
4 Tuscan 32.24
5 Spanish_Extremadura 32.62
6 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 32.68
7 Spanish_Valencia 32.77
8 Spanish_Aragon 32.92
9 West_Sicilian 33.2
10 Spanish_Cantabria 33.43
11 Spanish_Murcia 33.58
12 Southwest_French 33.8
13 Spanish_Galicia 34.09
14 Portuguese 34.2
15 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 34.6
16 South_Italian 34.84
17 Spanish_Cataluna 35.24
18 Algerian_Jewish 35.68
19 East_Sicilian 35.97
20 Central_Greek 36.27

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 100% Sardinian + 0% Abhkasian @ 4.42
2 100% Sardinian + 0% Adygei @ 4.42
3 100% Sardinian + 0% Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.42
4 100% Sardinian + 0% Afghan_Tadjik @ 4.42
5 100% Sardinian + 0% Afghan_Turkmen @ 4.42
6 100% Sardinian + 0% Aghan_Hazara @ 4.42
7 100% Sardinian + 0% Algerian @ 4.42
8 100% Sardinian + 0% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.42
9 100% Sardinian + 0% Altaian @ 4.42
10 100% Sardinian + 0% Armenian @ 4.42
11 100% Sardinian + 0% Ashkenazi @ 4.42
12 100% Sardinian + 0% Assyrian @ 4.42
13 100% Sardinian + 0% Austrian @ 4.42
14 100% Sardinian + 0% Austroasiatic_Ho @ 4.42
15 100% Sardinian + 0% Azeri @ 4.42
16 100% Sardinian + 0% Balkar @ 4.42
17 100% Sardinian + 0% Balochi @ 4.42
18 100% Sardinian + 0% Bangladeshi @ 4.42
19 100% Sardinian + 0% Bantu_N.E. @ 4.42
20 100% Sardinian + 0% Bantu_S.E. @ 4.42

Are they the only europeans with 0% west asian?