Do you think that Balkan Dardanians might be one/or related to Trojan Dardanians?

[valentinavalley2]

I don’t want an argument here... but they do actually have a lot in common with one another, and let’s not forget they are geographically close to each other

For myself I’m going to say yes... if not one, surely related.

I want to make a poll for this but I don’t know how


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[PaleoEuropean]

Trojans were probably Greek/Balkan/Hittite Mix

[valentinavalley2]

Trojans were probably Greek/Balkan/Hittite Mix

Hittite yes I agree with that, and possibly Balkan, but I don’t believe they were Greek, however they might have mixed with some Greeks. Hittites makes a lot of sense but Balkan Dardanians and Paeonians makes even more sense...


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[Blondie]

Trojans were greeks, the old sources wrote they can understand each other without any translate.

[valentinavalley2]

Trojans were greeks, the old sources wrote they can understand each other without any translate.

That doesn’t mean they were Greek, some Lithuanians can speak Russian that doesn’t make them Russian, Albanians can understand Serbian but that doesn’t mean they are Serbs, people do learn languages.

The old sources also wrote the Paeonians were from Troy, they constantly fought against the Greeks.

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[valentinavalley2]

I agree with Trojans being Hittites, the Hittites left clues about a war, but I don’t agree with Greek. However the Mycenaean were for sure Greek.


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[Mens-Sarda]

Trojans were probably Greek/Balkan/Hittite Mix

They were most likely a Minoan/Pelasgian colony.

The Trojan War was the last act of the IE invasion of the Aegean area. The new masters, the IE Achaeans/Mycenaeans vs the old masters the pre-IE Minoans/Pelasgians.

There was no such thing like Greeks during that age. The Greek civilization emerged many centuries later. Soon after the Trojan war, the Greek peninsula was hit by a new disaster, the Dorian invasion, a new IE tribe arrived from the north, even more barbarian than the Achaeans, which were exhausted after the Trojan war and were unable to stop them. The Dorian invasion plunged the Greek peninsula into the Hellenic Middle Ages, almost everything was lost, art, writing, advanced metallurgy, architecture. The civilization that emerged centuries later had nothing in common with Mycenaeans, but was the beginning of the Greek civilization as we know it.

[valentinavalley2]

They were most likely a Minoan/Pelasgian colony.

The Trojan War was the last act of the IE invasion of the Aegean area. The new masters, the IE Achaeans/Mycenaeans vs the old masters the pre-IE Minoans/Pelasgians.

There was no such thing like Greeks during that age. The Greek civilization emerged many centuries later. Soon after the Trojan war, the Greek peninsula was hit by a new disaster, the Dorian invasion, a new IE tribe arrived from the north, even more barbarian than the Achaeans, which were exhausted after the Trojan war and were unable to stop them. The Dorian invasion plunged the Greek peninsula into the Hellenic Middle Ages, almost everything was lost, art, writing, advanced metallurgy, architecture. The civilization that emerged centuries later had nothing in common with Mycenaeans, but was the beginning of the Greek civilization as we know it.

Yes I agree with that, but Herodotus did mention that the Paeonians came from Troy, and the Paeonians were mentioned to be allies of Troy in the Iliad. It might be possible that the Greeks (Mycenaeans) committed mass genocide on them (I actually think they did)


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[Crn Volk]

That doesn’t mean they were Greek, some Lithuanians can speak Russian that doesn’t make them Russian, Albanians can understand Serbian but that doesn’t mean they are Serbs, people do learn languages.

The old sources also wrote the Paeonians were from Troy, they constantly fought against the Greeks.

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That is only theory about the Paeonians

[Blondie]

That doesn’t mean they were Greek, some Lithuanians can speak Russian that doesn’t make them Russian, Albanians can understand Serbian but that doesn’t mean they are Serbs, people do learn languages.

The old sources also wrote the Paeonians were from Troy, they constantly fought against the Greeks.

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Bullshit, russians and lithuanians cannot understand each other, neither albanians and serbs. Trojans spoke homeric greek:

"In the epic poem Iliad, the Trojans speak Homeric Greek.
The Trojans in the Iliad have no difficulty in speaking to their Greek opponents. However, this may merely be evidence that a fictional convention frequently used in narratives in later times had already been adopted by the poet of the Iliad: for example, Jason finds no language barrier with Medea in Colchis, and Trojan Aeneas converses without difficulty both with Punic Dido and with Latin Turnus."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_language