Your top 5 personal favorite football players of all time

[Damião de Góis]

More influential than cr7 and Messi?? you joking??
Cristiano hast 5 Champions, Messi 4 in a club known for being a loser... Cristiano 1 Eurocup... tons of Ballon dOrs...

Boy, I only could think in Di Stéfano, Maradona and Pelé being more or less on pair with them in being influential...

Their influence is shown through goal scoring. They used to have 50 goals a season, but they aren't so prolific in their national teams. For example Portugal won euro 2016, but CR7 only scored 3 goals in that tournament, top scorer was Griezmann with 6. In 1984 France won the Euro and Platini was top scorer with 9 goals, and i think they had much less matches in euro84 than the current euros have. That's influence.

Balon D'ors are relative, if Maradona has zero...

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[Cristiano viejo]

Their influence is shown through goal scoring. They used to have 50 goals a season,

No, their influence come in titles. Real Madrid was 12 years with winning the Champions. Barcelona 1000 years. Portuguese national team NEVER.

but they aren't so prolific in their national teams.

Messi not, because he is overrated and surrounded of mediocres... but Cristiano? for God sake, man...

For example Portugal won euro 2016, but CR7 only scored 3 goals in that tournament, top scorer was Griezmann with 6. In 1984 France won the Euro and Platini was top scorer with 9 goals, and i think they had much less matches in euro84 than the current euros have. That's influence.

Even surrounded of mediocres like Messi, he was (obviously) the key to win the Euro (3 goals + 3 assists).

Balon D'ors are relative, if Maradona has zero...

Maradona has one.

[17571imre]

1 Zlatan Ibrahimovic
2 Ronaldinho
3 Mesut Ozil
4 Arshavin
5 Robben

at the moment my number one from now is Szoboszlai

[Damião de Góis]

No, their influence come in titles. Real Madrid was 12 years with winning the Champions. Barcelona 1000 years. Portuguese national team NEVER.


Messi not, because he is overrated and surrounded of mediocres... but Cristiano? for God sake, man...


Even surrounded of mediocres like Messi, he was (obviously) the key to win the Euro (3 goals + 3 assists).

Of course both of them have been successful and influential in Real Madrid and Barcelona but both of those teams are super millionaire teams. If you take them out of those teams and put them in the Portugal and Argentina national teams they struggle. Other players have maintained their influence both in club and country like Zidane, Maradona, Romario, Ronaldo, Platini, Cruyff which is why i said other players have been more influential. CR7 has never performed well in the world cup and he has participated in 4.

Cristiano Ronaldo has over 100 goals (103) but they count friendlies these days and i think the portuguese federation is already arranging a few friendlies against crappy teams so he can score more because he wants to break Ali Dai's record of 109 goals.

Maradona has one.

I saw zero:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballon...Wins_by_player

[Cristiano viejo]

Of course both of them have been successful and influential in Real Madrid and Barcelona but both of those teams are super millionaire teams. If you take them out of those teams and put them in the Portugal and Argentina national teams they struggle. Other players have maintained their influence both in club and country like Zidane, Maradona, Romario, Ronaldo, Platini, Cruyff which is why i said other players have been more influential. CR7 has never performed well in the world cup and he has participated in 4.

Cristiano Ronaldo has over 100 goals (103) but they count friendlies these days and i think the portuguese federation is already arranging a few friendlies against crappy teams so he can score more because he wants to break Ali Dai's record of 109 goals.

Real Madrid the years before Cristiano = in the shit.
Real Madrid with and thanks Cristiano = the paradise.
Real Madrid post-Cristiano = in the shit.

Barsa the decades before Messi = in the shit.
Barsa with Messi = they lived what they never did.
Barsa with a finished Messi = in the shit... and wait that he leaves

Portugal before Cristiano = in the shit.
Portugal with Cristiano = its only titles and reputation.

I saw zero:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballon...Wins_by_player

He won it in 1995.

[Damião de Góis]

Real Madrid the years before Cristiano = in the shit.
Real Madrid with and thanks Cristiano = the paradise.
Real Madrid post-Cristiano = in the shit.

Barsa the decades before Messi = in the shit.
Barsa with Messi = they lived what they never did.
Barsa with a finished Messi = in the shit... and wait that he leaves

Portugal before Cristiano = in the shit.
Portugal with Cristiano = its only titles and reputation.

Yes there's no doubt they marked an era in Real Madrid and Barcelona.

But in the national teams of Portugal and Argentina? Debatable. Don't forget how crappy Portugal played in 2016, he's a very good player so his influence in that tournament wasn't so great.

He won it in 1995.

I think you are mistaking awards. George Weah won in 1995, in 95 Maradona was 35, in 94 he was suspended again for doping in USA 94. He never won the Ballon D'Or.

[Cristiano viejo]

Yes there's no doubt they marked an era in Real Madrid and Barcelona.

But in the national teams of Portugal and Argentina? Debatable. Don't forget how crappy Portugal played in 2016, he's a very good player so his influence in that tournament wasn't so great.

More in his favour. In a team of lames he achieved to be champion.

I think you are mistaking awards. George Weah won in 1995, in 95 Maradona was 35, in 94 he was suspended again for doping in USA 94. He never won the Ballon D'Or.

He got a honorific Ballon dOr in 1995. Recheck your sources.

[Sebastianus Rex]

Their influence is shown through goal scoring. They used to have 50 goals a season, but they aren't so prolific in their national teams. For example Portugal won euro 2016, but CR7 only scored 3 goals in that tournament, top scorer was Griezmann with 6. In 1984 France won the Euro and Platini was top scorer with 9 goals, and i think they had much less matches in euro84 than the current euros have. That's influence.

Balon D'ors are relative, if Maradona has zero...

And what the goals Messi and especially Ronaldo have in the CL, many in decisive matches? The standard of the CL is higher than any competition in history.

Maradona in Europe never scored more than 20 goals per season at his prime (and that given he was the penalty and free kick taker of his teams), he simply could not compete with Messi or CR7 for the balloon d'or unless he did something really special like in 86...his stats are a world apart from the goals and assistances of Messi and CR7 to compete. Besides in the CL he never did anything, just won a Uefa cup.

Even if could won the ballon d'or back then, he would not have more than 3 (86, 87 and 89 perhaps) he was somewhat inconsistent his whole career, in Barcelona was even a flop.

[Sebastianus Rex]

Of course both of them have been successful and influential in Real Madrid and Barcelona but both of those teams are super millionaire teams. If you take them out of those teams and put them in the Portugal and Argentina national teams they struggle. Other players have maintained their influence both in club and country like Zidane, Maradona, Romario, Ronaldo, Platini, Cruyff which is why i said other players have been more influential. CR7 has never performed well in the world cup and he has participated in 4.

Cristiano Ronaldo has over 100 goals (103) but they count friendlies these days and i think the portuguese federation is already arranging a few friendlies against crappy teams so he can score more because he wants to break Ali Dai's record of 109 goals.



I saw zero:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballon...Wins_by_player

And the France of Zidane and Platini, the Brasil of Romário and Ronaldo or the Netherlands of Cruyff were not all super strong teams?! Come on be serious man:

France had a great team in the early/middle 80's it was not only Platini...Trésor, Giresse, Fernandez, Tigana, Papin etc
France won the WC 98at home without Zidane all the knockout stage, he got a red card vs Saudi Arabia in the first stage and was suspended until the final, scored two atypical head goals from corners and people talk of him like he was Maradona in Mexico.
France was super strong in late 90's / early 2000 with rock solid defence and midfield with Thuram, Lizarazu, Dessaily, Blanc, Vieira, Deschamps, etc and up there great players like Henri, Trezegue, Pires etc...also alot of good second line players

Brasil under the era of Romário and Ronaldo don't make me even start the crazy amount of talent, the surprise was that Brasil was not world champion every time.

And I remind you that Holland was finalist in the WC 78 WITHOUT Cruyff...same result as in 74 without him, lost the final to the home team.

Regarding the goals with national team, the FIFA friendly matches were always counted...but curiously Ronaldo has very few goals in international friendlies, around 80% of his international goals were in official matches.

In a few years looking back perhaps you will realize the true dimension of Messi and CR7.