Who looks more "pan-European": Irish or Estonians?

[JamesBond007]

Estonians because France is mostly Italo/Greco-Celtic with Germanic and Slavic minorities and Davidski's Celtic VS Germanic PCA plot shows that the Irish/Scots were never continental shifted like the Gauls (France) and the Britonnic Celts in Southern England. Also, there are more slavics in the French Foreign Legions than Irish.

"The common classes are strongly marked with the national peculiarity of features, and by this they are readily recognized in other countries." -- "A Pictorial Geography of the World" (1856).

Map of Ireland: big chin, thin upper lip, nose of topographical complexity and hooded eyes whose lids seem to cross the pupils on a slow diagonal -- features almost too big for the face, heavy and quaint like a 1954 Buick Roadmaster.

Goddess Colleen: big-boned, redheaded, like Athena with freckles, skin as pale as Chinese takeout cartons, and a look of splendid uncaring about their architectural cheekbones.

Black Irish: The same skin without the freckles, and hair that is not dark but black, Spanish bullfighter black, telephone black, vestment black, a blackness said to come from survivors of the Spanish Armada, but come on, now. The Black Irish sometimes have quick eyes like the redhead goddesses, suggesting that they're thinking a little faster than you're talking.

Wait-and-See: Dark eyes and dark mouths, dark as bruises. They all slope down like chevrons. These faces give away precisely nothing. They make you worry they know something you don't. Georgia O'Keeffe had a little of that in her face -- a dark, hard thing.

Leprechaun: Wide, with no upper lip at all, but a long, full lower one, and slanting eyes.

Tip O'Neill: Faces of this model, named for the late speaker of the House, cannot be imagined young. They are huge, like barns shingled with jowls, layer on layer, chin on chin, eye bags on eye bags, sometimes with the vast, red nose that has provoked the definition of an Irishman as "Thirty pounds of face and 40 pounds of liver."

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[The Blade]

Neither are pan-European looking as a group.

[Tooting Carmen]

Neither are pan-European looking as a group.

No, but which one would you say is more so?

[The Blade]

No, but which one would you say is more so?

The Irish for Britain and Iceland, the Estonians - for Lithuania, Latvia, Finland, Sweden, Norway and Russia.
Neither that much for the rest of Europe.

[jmls]

Phenotypes such as Halstatts, North Atlantids, and Atlantids are present in all of Europe except maybe Canaries(If you count it as Europe), some Greek Islands, and parts of Russia IMO. So Irish are pretty Pan-Euro. While I don’t know much about Estonians, I assume Fenno-Nordids/Baltids/North Pontids are common there, which are not quite passable in France/British Isles/Iceland/Netherlands/Belgium etc.

[Septentrion]

Of the two groups, who can generally pass (easily) in a greater number of places in Europe?

I’d say Estonians, because they pass in most of Northern, Eastern and Central Europe. While the Irish are more of an insular population would pass mostly in the British Isles and a little bit in North-West Europe ( Scandinavia, Northern Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Northern France).

[Septentrion]

Phenotypes such as Halstatts, North Atlantids, and Atlantids are present in all of Europe except maybe Canaries(If you count it as Europe), some Greek Islands, and parts of Russia IMO. So Irish are pretty Pan-Euro. While I don’t know much about Estonians, I assume Fenno-Nordids/Baltids/North Pontids are common there, which are not quite passable in France/British Isles/Iceland/Netherlands/Belgium etc.

Exactly you don’t know Estii people, that’s why.

[Septentrion]

[QUOTE=jmls;6237456]Phenotypes such as Halstatts, North Atlantids, and Atlantids are present in all of Europe except maybe Canaries(If you count it as Europe), some Greek Islands, and parts of Russia IMO. So Irish are pretty Pan-Euro. While I don’t know much about Estonians, I assume Fenno-Nordids/Baltids/North Pontids are common there, which are not quite passable in France/British Isles/Iceland/Netherlands


The Irish are 93% skin prototype I/II, that is not Pan European by any means, way too pale. Estonians are predominantly skin type 3, that’s universally Pan European!!!!!

[alnortedelsur]

Both human groups would pass in large parts of the European continent, but Irish generally pass better through western Europe, including Western Central Europe, and Estonians could pass better in eastern Europe, including east-Central Europe.

[Tooting Carmen]

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