Greco-Bactrian Kingdom (NEW MyTrueAncestry)

**Kaspias** · 10-05-2019, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by Thracian

They are one of the my closest populations according to MyTrueAncestry with Romans and Seleucids.

I believe that Greco-Bactrian is IND_Roopkund B on Global 25. Here is the full article about them,

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-11357-9

I got Greco-Bactrian + Ottoman with 4 distance. This is very close compared to other people's results.

I believe that Greco-Bactrian is IND_Roopkund B on Global 25. Here is the full article about them,

Are you sure about it? What is it's genetic profile exactly?

**Thracian** · 10-05-2019, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by Kaspias

I got Greco-Bactrian + Ottoman with 4 distance. This is very close compared to other people's results.

I believe that Greco-Bactrian is IND_Roopkund B on Global 25. Here is the full article about them,

Are you sure about it? What is it's genetic profile exactly?

This is great distance actually. Mine are around 10.

Greco-Bactrian + Roman (9.926)
Seleucid + Roman (9.961)
Greco-Bactrian (10.97)

Somehow, Ottoman Anatolia disappeared on my MTA. I have never had them in my oracle's yet I had them on both my map and timelines.

Almost all Balkanites have it on MTA. On the other hand, both IND_Roopkund B and Greco-Bactrian added into Global 25 and MTA around the same time.

IND_Roopkund B samples were totally Greek people. They have totally different autosomal DNA than IND_Roopkund A and C which are predominantly native their region unlike Roopkund B.

**Seya** · 10-05-2019, 10:16 PM

yes, many people get that

Spoiler!

**Kaspias** · 10-05-2019, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by Thracian

This is great distance actually. Mine are around 10.

Greco-Bactrian + Roman (9.926)
Seleucid + Roman (9.961)
Greco-Bactrian (10.97)

Somehow, Ottoman Anatolia disappeared on my MTA. I have never had them in my oracle's yet I had them on both my map and timelines.

Almost all Balkanites have it on MTA. On the other hand, both IND_Roopkund B and Greco-Bactrian added into Global 25 and MTA around the same time.

IND_Roopkund B samples were totally Greek people. They have totally different autosomal DNA than IND_Roopkund A and C which are predominantly native their region unlike Roopkund B.

If many South Slavs and Romanians get this, it is probably not Greek but Thracian, isn't it more reasonable? I can't model it because the web site is not working now and i don't have access to my pc

**Thracian** · 10-05-2019, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by Kaspias

If many South Slavs and Romanians get this, it is probably not Greek but Thracian, isn't it more reasonable? I can't model it because the web site is not working now and i don't have access to my pc

I am really not sure about them. I am pretty sure Scythian samples from Moldova are predominantly Thracians (Getae's actually) but this one is not clear. Thracians never reached to India unlike Greeks.

I can do it for you, I can access to site. Just tell me what populations you want to use in your model.

**Kaspias** · 10-05-2019, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by Thracian

I am really not sure about them. I am pretty sure Scythian samples from Moldova are predominantly Thracians (Getae's actually) but this one is not clear. Thracians never reached to India unlike Greeks.

I can do it for you, I can access to site. Just tell me what populations you want to use in your model.

1.Greek, Bulgarian, Macedonian, Turkish_Balkans:Bulgaria1

2.Avar_Szolad, Scy_Mld, Mycenaean, Georgian_Imer, Hasanlu_IA

**Thracian** · 10-05-2019, 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by Kaspias

1.Greek, Bulgarian, Macedonian, Turkish_Balkans:Bulgaria1

2.Avar_Szolad, Scy_Mld, Mycenaean, Georgian_Imer, Hasanlu_IA

1

Code:

"sample": "IND_Roopkund_B:Average",
    "fit": 2.1685,
    "Greek": 100,
    "Bulgarian": 0,
    "Macedonian": 0,
    "Turkish_Balkans--Turkish_Bulgaria1": 0,
    "closestDistances": [
      "Greek:NA17375: 2.849629",
      "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP4: 3.239629",
      "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP13: 3.552523",
      "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP14: 3.863111",
      "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP18: 3.936620",
      "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP10: 3.985454",
      "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP5: 4.085075",
      "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP16: 4.219273",
      "Greek:NA17372: 4.259308",
      "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP11: 4.356429",
      "Greek:NA17377: 4.554648",
      "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP3: 4.601400",
      "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP8: 4.736058",
      "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP12: 4.843719",
      "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP9: 4.898775",
      "Macedonian:Macedonian8: 4.999685",
      "Greek:NA17373: 5.159836",
      "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP17: 5.212636",
      "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP15: 5.362195",
      "Bulgarian:BulgarianH2: 5.468909",
      "Macedonian:Macedonian2: 5.947671",
      "Bulgarian:BulgarianD6: 6.195367",
      "Bulgarian:Bulgaria1: 6.412349",
      "Bulgarian:BulgarianE2: 7.621414",
      "Macedonian:Macedonian6: 7.652082",
      "Bulgarian:BulgarianF2: 8.043043",
      "Turkish_Balkans--Turkish_Bulgaria1:Turkish_Balkans--Turkish_Bulgaria1: 8.056245",
      "Macedonian:Macedonian7: 8.238204",
      "Macedonian:Macedonian3: 10.138485"

2

Code:

"sample": "IND_Roopkund_B:Average",
    "fit": 2.6061,
    "Scythian_MDA": 74.17,
    "Georgian_Imer": 13.33,
    "IRN_Hasanlu_IA": 12.5,
    "HUN_Avar_Szolad": 0,
    "closestDistances": [
      "Scythian_MDA:scy192: 4.517544",
      "Scythian_MDA:scy305: 4.936729",
      "Scythian_MDA:scy300: 5.063985",
      "Scythian_MDA:scy197: 5.854912",
      "Scythian_MDA:scy311: 8.500507",
      "Scythian_MDA:scy301: 9.876251",
      "IRN_Hasanlu_IA:F38: 10.265974",
      "Georgian_Imer:GEO75_georgia_imer: 10.914373",
      "Georgian_Imer:GEO51_georgian_imer: 11.047527",
      "Georgian_Imer:GEO71_georgian_imer: 11.060740",
      "Georgian_Imer:GEO38_georgian_imer: 11.855851",
      "Georgian_Imer:GEO73_georgian_imer: 12.044845",
      "HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1: 13.558828",
      "HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2: 16.031289"

I also modeled us using SCY_MDA and IND_Roopkund B

Code:

"sample": "Custom:AGUser_Kaspias",
    "fit": 3.1932,
    "Scythian_MDA": 70.83,
    "IND_Roopkund_B": 29.17,

"sample": "Custom:AGUser_Thracian",
    "fit": 1.5608,
    "Scythian_MDA": 50.83,
    "IND_Roopkund_B": 49.17,

I reached one of the my best fits using ancient samples. The fit is obviously higher for you.

**Kaspias** · 10-05-2019, 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by Thracian

1

Code:

"sample": "IND_Roopkund_B:Average",
    "fit": 2.1685,
    "Greek": 100,
    "Bulgarian": 0,
    "Macedonian": 0,
    "Turkish_Balkans--Turkish_Bulgaria1": 0,
    "closestDistances": [
      "Greek:NA17375: 2.849629",
      "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP4: 3.239629",
      "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP13: 3.552523",
      "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP14: 3.863111",
      "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP18: 3.936620",
      "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP10: 3.985454",
      "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP5: 4.085075",
      "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP16: 4.219273",
      "Greek:NA17372: 4.259308",
      "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP11: 4.356429",
      "Greek:NA17377: 4.554648",
      "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP3: 4.601400",
      "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP8: 4.736058",
      "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP12: 4.843719",
      "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP9: 4.898775",
      "Macedonian:Macedonian8: 4.999685",
      "Greek:NA17373: 5.159836",
      "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP17: 5.212636",
      "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP15: 5.362195",
      "Bulgarian:BulgarianH2: 5.468909",
      "Macedonian:Macedonian2: 5.947671",
      "Bulgarian:BulgarianD6: 6.195367",
      "Bulgarian:Bulgaria1: 6.412349",
      "Bulgarian:BulgarianE2: 7.621414",
      "Macedonian:Macedonian6: 7.652082",
      "Bulgarian:BulgarianF2: 8.043043",
      "Turkish_Balkans--Turkish_Bulgaria1:Turkish_Balkans--Turkish_Bulgaria1: 8.056245",
      "Macedonian:Macedonian7: 8.238204",
      "Macedonian:Macedonian3: 10.138485"

2

Code:

"sample": "IND_Roopkund_B:Average",
    "fit": 2.6061,
    "Scythian_MDA": 74.17,
    "Georgian_Imer": 13.33,
    "IRN_Hasanlu_IA": 12.5,
    "HUN_Avar_Szolad": 0,
    "closestDistances": [
      "Scythian_MDA:scy192: 4.517544",
      "Scythian_MDA:scy305: 4.936729",
      "Scythian_MDA:scy300: 5.063985",
      "Scythian_MDA:scy197: 5.854912",
      "Scythian_MDA:scy311: 8.500507",
      "Scythian_MDA:scy301: 9.876251",
      "IRN_Hasanlu_IA:F38: 10.265974",
      "Georgian_Imer:GEO75_georgia_imer: 10.914373",
      "Georgian_Imer:GEO51_georgian_imer: 11.047527",
      "Georgian_Imer:GEO71_georgian_imer: 11.060740",
      "Georgian_Imer:GEO38_georgian_imer: 11.855851",
      "Georgian_Imer:GEO73_georgian_imer: 12.044845",
      "HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1: 13.558828",
      "HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2: 16.031289"

I also modeled us using SCY_MDA and IND_Roopkund B

Code:

"sample": "Custom:AGUser_Kaspias",
    "fit": 3.1932,
    "Scythian_MDA": 70.83,
    "IND_Roopkund_B": 29.17,

"sample": "Custom:AGUser_Thracian",
    "fit": 1.5608,
    "Scythian_MDA": 50.83,
    "IND_Roopkund_B": 49.17,

I reached one of the my best fits using ancient samples. The fit is obviously higher for you.

Well did you know that all GREEKGRALPOP samples are from Thrace? I recently read about it.

Can you add Mycenaean to the ancient modeling? Also can you add "Turkmen" to our models?

**Dick** · 10-05-2019, 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by Thracian

They are one of the my closest populations according to MyTrueAncestry with Romans and Seleucids.

I believe that Greco-Bactrian is IND_Roopkund B on Global 25. Here is the full article about them,

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-11357-9

They were probably Merchants from the Balkans trying to cross the frozen lake with their caravan and drowned. Anyway, it's interesting but will keep changing with newer ancient samples.

**PAGANE** · 10-05-2019, 11:31 PM

mother
Seleucid + Roman (8.982)
Seleucid + Greco-Bactrian (9.31)
Greco-Bactrian (11.81)
Seleucid (12.67)
Roman (15.39)

mine
Seleucid + Gaul (7.388)
Greco-Bactrian + Gaul (8.514)
Greco-Bactrian (11.39)
Gaul (15.04)
Seleucid (15.71)

brother
Greco-Bactrian + Roman (12.15)
Greco-Bactrian (12.97)
Seleucid + Roman (13.26)
Roman (16.62)
Seleucid (17.65)