Can a orthodox or catholic be a born again Christian?

**Sockorer** · 12-05-2019, 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by JosephK

I have never heard such a thing in my life. It's always the other way around. I cannot imagine a Catholic believing anything like that, it's a particularly Protestant viewpoint.

Catholics don't go around trying to convert or 'save' people.

extra Ecclesiam nulla salus "outside the Church there is no salvation".

This is a dogma of our Catholic faith. And while it is theoretically possible that God may through extra-ordinary means bring someone who is invincibly ignorant of this fact, but otherwise co-operates with God's grace in their lives, to the Church; this is not a sure thing.

**JosephK** · 12-05-2019, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by Sockorer

extra Ecclesiam nulla salus "outside the Church there is no salvation".

This is a dogma of our Catholic faith. And while it is theoretically possible that God may through extra-ordinary means bring someone who is invincibly ignorant of this fact, but otherwise co-operates with God's grace in their lives, to the Church; this is not a sure thing.

Catholics don't get "points" for "saving" people.

**Sockorer** · 12-05-2019, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by JosephK

Catholics don't get "points" for "saving" people.

Catholics, if in a state of grace, and with the proper intentions, absolutely warrant a greater place in heaven for their good works.

**JosephK** · 12-05-2019, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by Sockorer

Catholics, if in a state of grace, and with the proper intentions, absolutely warrant a greater place in heaven for their good works.

That is as true for Catholics as it is for Muslims. But that doesn't change the cultural tradition of Protestants setting out to proselytize, taking it as a personal responsibility to avoid damnation. They're called evangelical for a reason.

**Sockorer** · 12-05-2019, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by JosephK

That is as true for Catholics as it is for Muslims. But that doesn't change the cultural tradition of Protestants setting out to proselytize, taking it as a personal responsibility to avoid damnation. They're called evangelical for a reason.

Much of Protestant proselytism is poaching poorly catechized Catholics, it is parasitic in nature. And there has been many successful evangelizing movements within the Catholic Church, this is how places like Latin America or the Philippines have been converted in the first place, this is why a quarter of the world is Catholic; it is only recently that Catholic evangelizing efforts have collapsed.

**Illyrius** · 12-10-2019, 10:45 AM

Anyone can be a born again Christian so long as they follow Jesus and his teachings properly.
I don't like Christian denominations. They are evil and to cause conflicts among the crowds.

**Family Man** · 12-21-2021, 03:58 AM

Yes! Of course. We always open our doors to redemption in the name of Jesus.

You Must Be Born Again

"3 Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Jesus[a] by night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him.” 3 Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again[b] he cannot see the kingdom of God.” 4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?” 5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.[c] 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You[d] must be born again.’ 8 The wind[e] blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

**Family Man** · 12-21-2021, 04:09 AM

Originally Posted by Richmondbread

Catholics say Jesus is Lord and the son of God. The teachings they did in the past were indulgences. Catholics do not follow that today. Catholics are anti homosexual and very pro life. The main issue with the Catholic church is their emphasis on Mother Mary and praying to Saints. ButGod is very merciful and when people are HIS, then He does not dismiss them . You are either saved or aren't. You can follow the Gospel and still not be saved. It is a personal relationship. In fact, I would go as far as to say some Mormons may be saved. But in reality, that's probably fewer than Catholics.

It's the job of each and every one of us to save as many as possible within our ability.