Ancient Negroids in South Russia

[Onychodus]

This is the skull with alleged Negroid or east african features.


The Markina Gora skeleton was examined by G.F. Debetz, who estimated the individual’s age at 20-25. The man was rather low-statured (about 160 cm). The morphology of his skeleton is generally quite modern. Certain cranial features, including very narrow braincase, low and narrow face, marked prognathism (anterior protrusion of the midface), and very wide nose, are typical of tropical populations. The trait combination links the cranium with those of Papuans and Melanesians.
Certain other Upper Paleolithic crania from Europe, too, display “tropical” features. Bodily proportions of Early Upper Paleolithic people reveal southern characteristics as well. This also concerns the arm proportions of the Markina Gora individual, whose forearm was relatively long compared to the shoulder.
The meaning of those facts is yet unclear. Modern geographic human groups (so called “races”) had not completely formed by the Upper Paleolithic, and some of their characteristics may have incidentally appeared in various parts of the world. On the other hand, tropical features may indicate that anatomically modern humans had migrated to Europe from the south, specifically from Africa. Genetic data favor such possibility.
The situation is further complicated by the fact that the supposedly Upper Paleolithic age of the burial has not been proven by absolute (radiocarbon) dating methods. The burial may actually be rather recent and unrelated to the enclosing cultural layer. If so, the appearance of the Markina Gora individual is even more difficult to explain.
M.M. Gerasimov, like G.F. Debetz, believed that people of such appearance or their direct ancestors had actually migrated to Europe in the early Upper Paleolithic from areas lying far south. Therefore he endowed the reconstructed individual with tropical characteristics including curly hair. The future will hopefully show whether or not this “artistic liberty” of the scientist and sculptor was warranted.

...Reconstruction reflects a very strong adult individual with a combination of morphological features. The nose is very broad, similar to African or Australian. This strong development around the nose is not typical for Europoid but is similar to East African populations; however, Negroid nasal bones are flat while Kostenki XIV is strong. This find is a combination of features whose origin is different from other groups.
Thus, at Kostenki, we have both stone and bone tools and sculptures as well as houses, female figurines similar the "Venus of Willendorf", and the remains of Upper Paleolithic man. From Kostenki II we have a broad head and narrow brow and from Kostenki XIV we have a tall adult exhibiting a combination of strong physical features which differ from typical Europoid.

http://www.donsmaps.com/lioncamp.html

[Onychodus]

Was population of ancient Italy Negroid also? How many Negroids lived in Europe?

[Loddfafner]

So if the Stormfronters are correct who use Kenniwick Man to demonstrate that whites are native to, and should rule in America, Papuans should take over Russia?

[Troll's Puzzle]

OOA would have been Australoid or proto-australoid, so it stands to reason that there would have been an 'intermediate phase' between australoid looking types and caucasoids. Looks like this may be one of them (although 'artistic license' is always important in forming an impression as the article mentions).

Was population of ancient Italy Negroid also? How many Negroids lived in Europe?

Grimaldi isnt' as 'negrid' as was claimed (but the reputation stuck).

Also, 'negrids' proper have only been found in Africa after Caucasoid/Mongoloid skeletons have been found, so nowhere outside of Africa went through a 'negrid' stage. Out-of-africa races are all probably older than 'negrid' type.

It's just that people call any 'primitive' charachteristics 'african' which becomes 'negrid', it's like a subtle racism

[Talvi]

So if the Stormfronters are correct who use Kenniwick Man to demonstrate that whites are native to, and should rule in America, Papuans should take over Russia?

I thought Kennewick man was closest to Ainu.. who arent white at all.

[Loki]

Hardly surprising, since humans originated in Africa and then spread across the globe. Just depends how far back you go, but far enough and you will find archaic features sure enough.

[Agrippa]

These are just archaic features, not Negrid proper.

Negrid proper is not just primitive, it is has progressive tendencies on its own. Interestingly, these progressive tendencies are the strongest in thos Negrids, which have a stronger Afrasian (Eurasian+East African) influence in their genome - as a rule of thumb and weakest in those Negrids, which are even more primitive both genetically and morphologically, closer to the non-Negrid Subsaharan Africans, especially Pygmies (Bambutid).

These specimen looks just like an Australiform, more archaic individual, but not necessarily Negrid proper.

Also, we don't have too many early, not even Proto-Negroid remains, even in Africa by the way.

The exact evolution of Negrid proper is still something which scientists have to deal with, of course also because of the poor conservation of the classic Negrid habitats in the Savannahs and wet-hot areas.

[Onychodus]

Anyway, have these archaic traits formed in the lands with tropical climate?

[Agrippa]

Anyway, have these archaic traits formed in the lands with tropical climate?

Neandertalids were even more primitive and coming from a colder climate.

The archaic Homo sapiens traits were just better preserved in warmer climates, especially in isolated habitats.

There is virtually no dominant racial element in a biodynamic centre which is primarily primitive.

This is both because of the harder intraspecific selection, as well as the larger population size and genflow - those biodynamic centres which were both accessible as well as expanding produced more progressive human forms, while the most primitive variants survived in refugia, the least accessible and/or unwanted places in rather small populations originally.

Archaic Homo sapiens traits can be found in human specimens like that of Omo:

The two specimens Omo 1 and Omo 2 differ in morphological traits. Omo 2 characteristics indicate more archaic traits. Studies of the postcranial remains of Omo I indicate an overall modern human morphology with a number of primitive features. Omo I and Omo II hominid fossils are from similar stratigraphic levels over Member I. Authors of the new Homo Omo dating say that the "preferred estimate of the age of the Kibish hominids is 195 ± 5 ka," which is also the record earliest date in this category.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omo_remains

Homo sapiens idaltu:

Homo sapiens idaltu is an extinct subspecies of Homo sapiens that lived almost 160,000 years ago in Pleistocene Africa.[1] Idaltu is from the Saho-Afar word meaning "elder or first born".

These fossils differ from those of chronologically later forms of early H. sapiens such as Cro-Magnon found in Europe and other parts of the world in that their morphology has many archaic features not typical of H. sapiens (although modern human skulls do differ across the globe).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_sapiens_idaltu

[Murphy]

You know in those films like Prince or Persia and Robin Hood there is always the token black--mercenary-warrior-from-Africa-who-is-so-bad-ass-and-ends-up-liking/saving-the-hero?

What if this guy is like.. the real deal? What if he's the inspiration for these guys? What if his legend has been filtered down to us?

This guy is simply that damn cool.