Archaeological Site of Aigai (modern name Vergina)

[Hulu]

By Northern shifted I mean more Yamnaya shifted. Greeks today are more Yamnaya shifted than their Bronze Age predecessors. That may indeed be due to the absorption of some Slavic admixture among others. But I also suspect that gradually a little more Yamnaya admixture arrived in Greece even right after the Bronze Age.

Who exactly?

[Xz2k9]

This won't be far off for Greece.

This map is wrong on so many levels and it has already been debunked through ancient findings.

[catgeorge]

This map is wrong on so many levels and it has already been debunked through ancient findings.

Well you are welcome to re-debunk or alternatively you can just post one liners in the Albanian forum.

[Dianatomia]

Who exactly?

I have no reason to believe that the increase in Yamnaya admixture in the Greek peninsula stopped in the late Bronze Age. Nor is it clear that the increase in Yamnaya admixture during the Bronze Age came in only one migration wave. Perhaps there was a gradual flow of migrants with more Yamnaya admixture into the area. And this continued well into the Iron Age. Historians argued that people were on the move during that time. But the truth is that we don't know the genetic make up of people from Central and Northern Greece during the Bronze Age yet. And during that time, paleo-ethnicities were just starting to take shape. Including the Greeks as we know them. As one example however, even if some other proto-Greek tribes were still situated further North and came South during the Iron age (e.g. Dorians), then they would have brought a little more Yamnaya into Greece, even if these proto-Greeks were mostly EEF. If the first proto-Greek invasion mixed with Minoans/Pelasgians and added some Yamnaya to create the Mycenaean genetic make up, then a possible second proto-Greek invasion would have brought a little more Yamnaya.

What would your two cents be?

[MagnusDark]

This won't be far off for Greece.

That map is extremely outdated and theoretical. There is also no evidence whatsoever that R1a-L664 came/moved from the Balkans(it is exclusively north-west european). You also claimed R1a/I2a1b in Greece wasn't Slavic, so you're not exactly anyone with any type of authority to comment on these things.

[MagnusDark]

Thracians and Illyrians were genetically mainland Greeks that developed late.

No they were not. Thracians and Illyrians alongside Greeks, trace a large portion of their ancestry from EEF(Early European Farmers), which is falsely labeled as "Greek" in some calculators. Proto-Greeks came from around the Pontic-Caspian Steppe with other Indo-European speaking peoples. You over-estimate the genetic impact/contribution of Ancient Greeks in the North/Balkans. Claiming Illyrians and Thracians as Genetically Greek is pure fantasy on your part.

[MagnusDark]

I am of the opinion that an extra wave of Yamnaya like ancestry entered Greece after the Mycenaean period and before the Slavic migration.

Wouldn't that coincide with the Dorian invasions?

[MagnusDark]

Well you are welcome to re-debunk or alternatively you can just post one liners in the Albanian forum.

He doesn't have to. Even if he did, it would go right over your head like everything else. Don't talk genetics. You're grossly misinformed. Even moreso than an introductory laymen. Which is either willful ignorance on your part, or lack of research. Either one doesn't help.

[catgeorge]

No they were not. Thracians and Illyrians alongside Greeks, trace a large portion of their ancestry from EEF(Early European Farmers), which is falsely labeled as "Greek" in some calculators. Proto-Greeks came from around the Pontic-Caspian Steppe with other Indo-European speaking peoples. You over-estimate the genetic impact/contribution of Greece in the Balkans. Claiming Illyrians and Thracians as Genetically Greek is pure fantasy on your part.

Well it couldnt be Greek as Greece didnt exist but genetioc ancetsry is the same . Thessalian neolithic stemming from Greek caves happened - arguing with science is futile but you can always try I suppose. Their pottery coinage tools etc etc is Thessalian Neolithic.






Not to mention the countless - I mean countless genetic reports. Its pointless trying to argue something else unless you have biases. Its not the Greeks fault it was borne in this part of the world.

[catgeorge]

He doesn't have to. Even if he did, it would go right over your head like everything else. Don't talk genetics. You're grossly misinformed. Even moreso than an introductory laymen. Which is either willful ignorance on your part, or lack of research. Either one doesn't help.

Its because you are politically biased and unscientific.