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    Default Are Berbers basically Iberians with black and Arab admixture?

    https://www.pnas.org/content/115/26/6774

    By 3,000 BCE, a continuity in the Neolithic spread brought Mediterranean-like ancestry to the Maghreb, most likely from Iberia. Other archaeological remains, such as African elephant ivory and ostrich eggs found in Iberian sites, confirm the existence of contacts and exchange networks through both sides of the Gibraltar strait at this time. Our analyses strongly support that at least some of the European ancestry observed today in North Africa is related to prehistoric migrations, and local Berber populations were already admixed with Europeans before the Roman conquest. Furthermore, additional European/Iberian ancestry could have reached the Maghreb after KEB people;this scenario is supported by the presence of Iberian-like Bell-Beaker pottery in more recent stratigraphic layers of IAM and KEB caves. Future paleogenomic efforts in North Africa will further disentangle the complex history of migrations that forged the ancestry of the admixed populations we observe today.

    From Hans FK Günther's The Racial Elements of European History:

    In north Africa there are large areas with a predominantly Mediterranean population: the whole of the northern edge from Egypt to Morocco, and beyond Morocco a tract along the coast southwards and reaching over to the north-west African islands. The Spaniards have always been astonished at the likeness of their Berber foes in Morocco with themselves. In all these regions of north-west Africa, however, there are found also Oriental, Negro, and (especially, it would seem, in Algeria and Morocco) Hither Asiatic strains. Among the Berbers, particularly the Kabyles in the Riff and in the Aures range, a Nordic strain shows itself clearly, and in the Canary Islands there seems to be a strain of the Crô-magnon race (cp.Chapter Four).

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    When I come across these kind of threads I always ask myself, have you never checked some GEDmatch results and compared between the 2? Big difference between the admixture of the 2 populations! And I know most people who open these threads are trying to troll and anger people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamm View Post
    When I come across these kind of threads I always ask myself, have you never checked some GEDmatch results and compared between the 2? Big difference between the admixture of the 2 populations! And I know most people who open these threads are trying to troll and anger people.
    The ancient components are also very different? Or only the modern ones?

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    Are there any oracles from these periods to today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markos View Post
    "Are Turks basically Greeks with brown and EA admixture?"
    Turks are Turks with brown (greek) admixture

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorian View Post
    Are there any oracles from these periods to today?
    Ancient moroccans weren't a lot different than today. I can even say that they were more SSA admixed and less european (there is gedmatch results on this that you can look at).

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    Check old sample...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seya View Post
    The ancient components are also very different? Or only the modern ones?
    Even the ancient ones, Iberians have a much higher North Atlantic admixture while Berbers have a Red Sea and Sub Saharan African component which is not found with Iberians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamm View Post
    Even the ancient ones, Iberians have a much higher North Atlantic admixture while Berbers have a Red Sea and Sub Saharan African component which is not found with Iberians.
    I think that we want to draw a sharp division it's more about North Atlantic and Baltic that made nearly 55% of spanish genome that NA populations have in very tiny proportions.

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