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    AL-ANDALUS

    Kit PY9273538

    Resultados de la mezcla (ordenados):

    # Porcentaje de población
    1 North_Atlantic 31.1
    2 West_Med 29.95
    3 East_Med 12.2
    4 Northeast_African 9.21
    5 Báltico 6.71
    6 West_Asian 4.45
    7 Red_Sea 3.49
    8 Oceanian 1.77
    9 Amerindian 0.98
    10 East_Asian 0.13

    1 89% Spanish_Andalucia + 11% Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator @ 5.74

    1 Español_Andalucía 11,5
    2 Español_Extremadura 11,65


    Kit XU2905144

    Admix resultados (ordenada):

    # Población Porcentaje
    1 West_Med 27,41
    2 North_Atlantic 25,87
    3 East_Med 16,73
    4 Red_Sea 11,91
    5 West_Asian 7,93
    6 subsahariana 3,26
    7 Báltico 2,89
    8 amerindia 1,75
    9 siberiano 1,73
    10 South_Asian 0,31
    11 Northeast_African 0,22

    1 Toscana 12.98

    1 53,1% Francés_Basco + 46,9% Beduino @ 6,57

    Kit DK7311611

    1 North_Atlantic 31,8
    2 West_Med 27,81
    3 East_Med 17,36
    4 Báltico 7,57
    5 Red_Sea 7,39
    6 Northeast_African 4,31
    7 subsahariana 1,4
    8 amerindia 0,9
    9 West_Asian 0,55
    10 siberiano 0,44
    11 Oceanía 0,28
    12 East_Asian 0,19

    1 Español_Extremadura 8.44

    1 71,4% Castellano_Castilla_La_Mancha + 28,6% Marroquí @ 2,53


    ANDALUSIA

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    1 North_Atlantic 40.81
    2 West_Med 29.04
    3 Baltic 10.00
    4 East_Med 6.81
    5 West_Asian 5.78
    6 Red_Sea 3.11
    7 Northeast_African 2.34
    8 Siberian 1.32

    1 Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.981552

    1 50% French_Basque +25% Romanian +25% Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.688785


    Gallop`s Father
    1 North_Atlantic 39.79
    2 West_Med 27.81
    3 Baltic 12.41
    4 East_Med 10.41
    5 Sub-Saharan 3.52
    6 Red_Sea 2.44
    7 West_Asian 2.22
    8 Siberian 1.40

    1 Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.217156

    1 50% Southwest_French +25% Spanish_Extremadura +25% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.489901

    Gallop´s Father
    1 North_Atlantic 39.52
    2 West_Med 28.36
    3 Baltic 12.10
    4 East_Med 11.77
    5 Sub-Saharan 3.91
    6 Red_Sea 2.11
    7 Siberian 1.23
    8 West_Asian 1.00

    1 Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.686816

    1 50% Spanish_Cantabria +50% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.980949

    1 50% Spanish_Cantabria +25% Spanish_Galicia +25% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.878018


    Andalusian Woman (Networks)
    1 North_Atlantic 40.28
    2 West_Med 27.56
    3 Baltic 10.88
    4 East_Med 10.80
    5 Red_Sea 5.02
    6 West_Asian 2.56
    7 Northeast_African 1.50

    1 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.162459

    1 50% Spanish_Cantabria +25% Spanish_Extremadura +25% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.142708



    We do not have any relatives in Cantabria, Galizia, Castilla León e.t.c.


    The moriscos from Al-Andalus obtain Andalusia and three Andalusians obtain the north of Spain.

    They have given for Andalusia XX-XXl century for us to understand the values of the historical Moorish or values of Al-Andalus?

    The current values for Andalusia are made with corpses.

    Andalusia is a result made by and for the dead.
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    E-V22 - E-BY7449 - E-BY7566 - E-FT155550
    According to oral family tradition E-FT155550 comes from a deserter of Napoleon's troops (1808-1813) who stayed in Spain and changed his surname.

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    The only ones to obtain Andalusia as a result in number 1º are

    A modern value that only specific old samples obtain not even the living ones get it in the first place.


    Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia
    1200 AD -I12644


    1. Spanish_Andalucia (9.149)

    Roman Villa Granada Spain
    300 AD -I3982


    1. Spanish_Andalucia (8.575)

    Iberian Taifa of Valencia
    1200 AD - I2644


    1. Spanish_Andalucia (9.903)

    Carthago Al-Andalus Alhama de Granada
    1200 AD -I7457


    1. Spanish_Andalucia (11.33)

    Carthago Outlier Roman Empire VP
    100 AD -R111


    1. Spanish_Andalucia (10.42)

    Early Bronze Age Bulgaria
    3100 BC - I2176


    1. Spanish_Andalucia (11.65)

    Carthago Outlier San Ercolano
    500 AD - R121


    1. Spanish_Andalucia (13.17)

    Phoenician Cas Moli Ibiza
    270 BC - MS10614


    1. Spanish_Andalucia (16.10)

    Carthago-Iberian-Mehrebi Cordoba Caliphate
    950 AD -I7500


    1. Spanish_Andalucia (16.32)

    Carthaginian Roman-Era Empuries
    200 BC -I8204


    1. Spanish_Andalucia (15.87)

    Phoenician/Punic Sardinia Mount Sirai
    675 BC - MSR003


    1. Sardinian (15.36)
    2. Spanish_Andalucia (17.50)

    Carthago-Roman San Ercolano
    500 AD - R120


    1. Spanish_Andalucia (15.27)



    Andalusia the result of the dead



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    According to oral family tradition E-FT155550 comes from a deserter of Napoleon's troops (1808-1813) who stayed in Spain and changed his surname.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gota_type_ View Post
    If people realized that the majority of the muslims in Al Andalus were Spanish (many of them visigoths) converted to islam for political-economical reasons, people would stop to say nonsenses about moorish Spain. This is how muslims looked like in Al-Andalus:




    And this also goes to today´s muslims from northafrica or other places, that they keep believing that "they" ruled most of Spain.... If they knew that the moors that ruled most of Spain were white and basically full Europeans, they would stop about thinking that they were great in Al-Andalus. A minority were in fact north-africans...but pure caucasoid types (since islam started to enslave blacks in the XII-XIII centuries and that is why today´s northafricans are mulattoes, and the ones that entered in Spain remained almost fully caucasoid.

    That’s wishful thinking. North Africans are not mulattos, even if they are dark skinned. Most North Africans tend to look “Mideastern”.

    The Moors were clearly mixed. They clearly show both Arabian and North African ancestry. A pure European or a converted European would not score significant Bedouin or Saudi admixture like some of the Moorish samples that are present. The reality Iberia was indeed ruled by a Hamitic and Semitic people and yes they were not White but brown.

    No pure European would get this type of results

    Spanish_Aragon + 36% Bedouin @ 8.34
    4 69.8% Spanish_Andalucia + 30.2% Bedouin

    1 53.1% French_Basque + 46.9% Bedouin @ 6.57

    11 59.2% French_Basque + 40.8% Saudi @ 8.71


    This clearly indicates Arabian admixture in some of the Moors. Most likely it would have been higher before the Spanish Inquisition just like North African one.
    My genetic results
    1 50% Azeri_Dagestan +50% BedouinA @ 2.879975


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    So the Moors were mostly indigenous Iberias mixed with Arabs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloots View Post
    So the Moors were mostly indigenous Iberias mixed with Arabs?
    Pretty much.
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    1 50% Azeri_Dagestan +50% BedouinA @ 2.879975


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    Wow very interesting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    These examples just show they were mostly converted Iberians (aka traitors), as is very well known

    But didn't these "traitors" convert back to Christianity and are now your ancestors? If this is true then it means you must of had some Muslim ancestors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloots View Post
    So the Moors were mostly indigenous Iberias mixed with Arabs?
    Moriscos, mozárabes, mudéjares y muladíes

    These four names are used to define the Christians or Muslims of the Iberian Peninsula, depending on whether or not they inhabited each other's territories while preserving their religion, from the beginning of the 8th century until the beginning of the 17th century in the case of the Moors. The following is a description of each of them.

    Moriscos.

    The Moriscos is the name given to the Muslims who remained in Spain after the Christian conquest of all the peninsular territories.

    https://iberhistoria.es/entradas/eda...jaresmuladies/


    I myself have to look it up online every time to find out what each term meant.


    8 centuries of wars and the final victory for which the rest of Europe must pay homage to us and pay military honors to any ordinary Spanish citizen.
    mainly to all the citizens of southern Spain who had the duty to protect the reconquered territory and at the same time lead a daily life in an extreme situation with the enemy just a few kilometers away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StonyArabia View Post
    That’s wishful thinking. North Africans are not mulattos, even if they are dark skinned. Most North Africans tend to look “Mideastern”.

    The Moors were clearly mixed. They clearly show both Arabian and North African ancestry. A pure European or a converted European would not score significant Bedouin or Saudi admixture like some of the Moorish samples that are present. The reality Iberia was indeed ruled by a Hamitic and Semitic people and yes they were not White but brown.

    No pure European would get this type of results

    Spanish_Aragon + 36% Bedouin @ 8.34
    4 69.8% Spanish_Andalucia + 30.2% Bedouin

    1 53.1% French_Basque + 46.9% Bedouin @ 6.57

    11 59.2% French_Basque + 40.8% Saudi @ 8.71


    This clearly indicates Arabian admixture in some of the Moors. Most likely it would have been higher before the Spanish Inquisition just like North African one.
    ِActually the Arab admixture is just a minority of the samples (i rechecked them through G25), majority of moorish remains have North African admixture and lack Arab admixture and 2 remains are surely 'Arab' admixtured.

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    Moroccans still believe the Iberian Peninsula is their native territory which was lost by mistake and should be taken back.

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