The Karakachans / Sarakatsani are Vlachs, Hellenistic Thracians or Greek people?

[SarakatsanoPontio]

You are Pontian why do you care.

Well, if you read my whole name it says im also half Sarakatsano.

Why I care is because youre providing false information regarding the Sarakatsani. Being part Pontian has nothing to do with it.

So, either youre not full Sarakatsano as well, or you are misinformed as to your Y DNA haplogroup. Likely because you are using 23andme as your source. With your 80% Balkan results, youre most likely I2 or even J2.

I understand this may go against your united Europe ideologies, but it shouldnt. You dont have to be genetically the same as the rest of Europeans to be proud to be European.

[catgeorge]

I am not misinformed at all I am an R1b. R1b has been in Greece since Iron Age.

[catgeorge]

[true_southron]

23andme

85% Balkan
10% Italian
5% North West
0% East
0% MENA

I've got my results floating on the forum somewhere. Cbf posting them again but thats it in a nutshell.

That result is more like Macedonian Slav

[catgeorge]

That result is more like Macedonian Slav

Im actually plotted between Thessaly and North Epirus. My closest matches on this forum is Hithelgr and Ylla.

We have already done this over the years and no need to keep repeating same ol same ol.

[true_southron]

Im actually plotted between Thessaly and North Epirus. My closest matches on this forum is Hithelgr and Ylla.

We have already done this over the years and no need to keep repeating same ol same ol.

Ok, so you are a little bit more southern than me. I'm between Tuscany and North Italy on K15 plot

[Konstantinos Kara]

Well, if you read my whole name it says im also half Sarakatsano.

Why I care is because youre providing false information regarding the Sarakatsani. Being part Pontian has nothing to do with it.

So, either youre not full Sarakatsano as well, or you are misinformed as to your Y DNA haplogroup. Likely because you are using 23andme as your source. With your 80% Balkan results, youre most likely I2 or even J2.

I understand this may go against your united Europe ideologies, but it shouldnt. You dont have to be genetically the same as the rest of Europeans to be proud to be European.

Have you had your dna tested?

[Tauromachos]

I highly doubt that.

Just like you mentioned Sarakatsani are Cro Magnid, they would not be R1b. Cro Magnons were almost entirely IJ. The R haplogroup was introduced much later.

By whom?

[Sarmale]

They are a fascinating people, and we just can't say for sure. They have cultural similarities to Aromanians but may be more Greek or perhaps Hellenized Thracian in origin.

[hazmatnik]

I don't know that much about Karakachans, except that there is a breed of sheep called Karakachanska ovca preserved in SE Serbia and per some sources they used to come to SE Serbia and spend summer in the mountains (Besna Kobila, Vardenik, Cemernik) with their flocks.