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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamastor View Post
    I think anything below 20%, even SSA, isn't going to show strongly. If you're around 80% something the tendency is that you will look mostly like that thing.

    But of course there are variations and I've seen Brazilians with even 5% SSA looking non-white. So it depends. I think it's the same with Amerindian, but some people mixed with Amerindian can look fully European even when the admixture is more than 30%. Anyway, recently I posted a Brazilian here with around 40% SSA and he didn't looked very black admixed, more like some Egyptian or South Asian.
    It's too hard to gess 16% SSA for the first woman, because she does lack of obvious SSA traits like huge lips, african influence on her hair, wide nostrils and short nose (the same for the last dude). Only for curiosity, can you rate my english? I did the same ask to you some time ago, but, I do think that I have improved my english.

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    None of them look very SSA in my opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamastor View Post
    Their results:

    1. 79% European + North African, 16% SSA, 5% Amerindian. From Northeast Brazil.

    2. 75% European, 25% Amerindian. From Southern Brazil.

    3. 91,4% European + North African, 6,5% Amerindian, 2,1% SSA. From Northeast Brazil.

    4. I don't have his commercial test results, only GEDmatch. He's around 85% Caucasoid, 13% SSA and 2% Amerindian. Some of his SSA certainly came through the Portuguese though, so his ''true'' African ancestry is likely around 8-10% (many Brazilians with Portuguese ancestry have increased SSA on GEDmatch). He's from Southeast Brazil.

    The second one doesn't have even a single drop of SSA. He's the most surprising imo.
    I think that there is many cases like the second one in the South, i see many people that look just mestizo( with no perceived SSA) on a daily basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catarinense1998 View Post
    It's too hard to gess 16% SSA for the first woman, because she does lack of obvious SSA traits like huge lips, african influence on her hair, wide nostrils and short nose (the same for the last dude). Only for curiosity, can you rate my english? I did the same ask to you some time ago, but, I do think that I have improved my english.
    You have improved, yeah. I think any admixture up to 20% can show or cannot show depending on the individual. I'm seeing tons of Brazilian results lately and most people score SSA without showing obvious traits. Even the Portuguese and Spanish score some SSA.

    The anthrofora myth that SSA is much stronger than Amerindian and will always show seems to be a product of some Hispanic Americans from Mestizo countries to cope with the reality they are less European than Brazilians. So they had to come with this ''but SSA always show more'' bullshit. I can post people with only 10% Amerindian showing strong traits too.

    It's basically alleatory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamastor View Post
    You have improved, yeah. I think any admixture up to 20% can show or cannot show depending on the individual. I'm seeing tons of Brazilian results lately and most people score SSA without showing obvious traits. Even the Portuguese and Spanish score some SSA.

    The anthrofora myth that SSA is much stronger than Amerindian and will always show seems to be a product of some Hispanic Americans from Mestizo countries to cope with the reality they are less European than Brazilians. So they had to come with this ''but SSA always show more'' bullshit. I can post people with only 10% Amerindian showing strong traits too.

    It's basically alleatory.
    I'm not sure about this. We've a thread called "Balanced Mestizos DNA results with pictures". Just check it by yourself, and you will realize a good amount of people that score 55-65% european + 45-55% amerindian, and even so they do look quite european. On the other hand, people with 25%-35% SSA will always show up some african trait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catarinense1998 View Post
    I'm not sure about this. We've a thread called "Balanced Mestizos DNA results with pictures". Just check it by yourself, and you will realize a good amount of people that score 55-65% european + 45-55% amerindian, and even so they do look quite european. On the other hand, people with 25%-35% SSA will always show up some african trait.
    I think that phenomenon of black blood seeming to be dominant compared to Amerindian blood is because Amerindians have more diverse looks than black admixed latinos and some amerindian phenotypes have many similarities with European phenotypes, while others are more distanced of white look and give even a pseudo-negroid vibe because of wide, flat noses, big lips, etc. Like some tribes of tropical areas.
    most black admixture in the Americas is Sudanese and some bantu ( i think). Also, black features are more well known as blacks and black admixed persons can be found everywhere in the world. The same, certainly, cannot be said about mestizos or triracials with high ameríndias and low SSA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catarinense1998 View Post
    I'm not sure about this. We've a thread called "Balanced Mestizos DNA results with pictures". Just check it by yourself, and you will realize a good amount of people that score 55-65% european + 45-55% amerindian, and even so they do look quite european. On the other hand, people with 25%-35% SSA will always show up some african trait.
    I agree that SSA has a tendency to show more, but anyway most Brazilians aren't balanced Euro - SSA mixes, like Mexicans or Chileans are with Amerindians. So a thread like that with Brazilians is useless.

    I can make threads with people scoring up to 30% SSA without showing obvious traits. The thing is that this forum lacked Brazilians with substantial knowledge of Brazilian genetics for a long time, that's why they were always able to come with this bullshit of even 5% SSA making someone to look black lol.

    I have more than 200 Brazilian GEDmatch kits with pics and most do not show obvious admixture at all. Only around 40 of them (in 200) are 100% European.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamastor View Post
    I agree that SSA has a tendency to show more, but anyway most Brazilians aren't balanced Euro - SSA mixes, like Mexicans or Chileans are with Amerindians. So a thread like that with Brazilians is useless.

    I can make threads with people scoring up to 30% SSA without showing obvious traits. The thing is that this forum lacked Brazilians with substantial knowledge of Brazilian genetics for a long time, that's why they were always able to come with this bullshit of even 5% SSA making someone to look black lol.

    I have more than 200 Brazilian GEDmatch kits with pics and most do not show obvious admixture at all. Only around 40 of them (in 200) are 100% European.
    Some people have already posted average faces for each south-american country. If I'm not mistaken, the average brazilian does score 63% european - the same amount of european heritage for the paraguayan average, taking into acount Argentano's threads. The paraguayan average mestizo does look more european than the brazilian one (the brazilian one doesn't score much amerindian). The SSA imput has not a simple tendency to show more, but a big one. It is only my opinion though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catarinense1998 View Post
    Some people have already posted average faces for each south-american country. If I'm not mistaken, the average brazilian does score 63% european - the same amount of european heritage for the paraguayan average, taking into acount Argentano's threads. The paraguayan average mestizo does look more european than the brazilian one (the brazilian one doesn't score much amerindian). The SSA imput has not a simple tendency to show more, but a big one. It is only my opinion though.
    63% are the lowest estimative studies. The average is 67.5% to 69.5% european.

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    Brazilian

    # Population Percent
    1 Sub-Saharan 36.11
    2 North_Atlantic 17.64
    3 West_Med 15.46
    4 Baltic 9.36
    5 East_Med 7.88
    6 Northeast_African 5.81
    7 Red_Sea 3.84
    8 West_Asian 2.75
    9 South_Asian 1.14

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Mozabite_Berber 36.48
    2 Algerian 38.16
    3 Tunisian 38.49
    4 Moroccan 40.24
    5 Spanish_Galicia 45.51
    6 West_Sicilian 45.51
    7 Portuguese 45.55
    8 Spanish_Extremadura 45.56
    9 Romanian 45.77
    10 Greek_Thessaly 45.78
    11 Bulgarian 45.82
    12 Tuscan 45.82
    13 North_Italian 45.86
    14 Serbian 46.32
    15 East_Sicilian 46.51
    16 Spanish_Murcia 46.61
    17 Italian_Abruzzo 46.62
    18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 46.63
    19 Spanish_Andalucia 47.06
    20 Spanish_Cataluna 47.07

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 57% North_Italian + 43% Bantu_S.E. @ 4.48
    2 57.6% North_Italian + 42.4% Bantu_S.W. @ 4.49
    3 57.8% Spanish_Galicia + 42.2% Bantu_S.W. @ 5.02
    4 57.2% Spanish_Galicia + 42.8% Bantu_S.E. @ 5.03
    5 57.7% Portuguese + 42.3% Bantu_S.W. @ 5.35
    6 57.1% Portuguese + 42.9% Bantu_S.E. @ 5.41
    7 58.7% North_Italian + 41.3% Mandenka @ 5.43
    8 57.1% Spanish_Extremadura + 42.9% Bantu_S.E. @ 5.47
    9 57.7% Spanish_Extremadura + 42.3% Bantu_S.W. @ 5.48
    10 58.9% Spanish_Galicia + 41.1% Mandenka @ 5.72
    11 58.8% Portuguese + 41.2% Mandenka @ 5.84
    12 55.3% North_Italian + 44.7% Biaka_Pygmy @ 6
    13 58.9% Spanish_Extremadura + 41.1% Mandenka @ 6.15
    14 57.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 42.8% Bantu_S.W. @ 6.33
    15 56.6% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 43.4% Bantu_S.E. @ 6.37
    16 56.4% Spanish_Cataluna + 43.6% Bantu_S.E. @ 6.44
    17 55.5% Spanish_Galicia + 44.5% Biaka_Pygmy @ 6.51
    18 56.2% Spanish_Valencia + 43.8% Bantu_S.E. @ 6.51
    19 57% Spanish_Cataluna + 43% Bantu_S.W. @ 6.54
    20 56.6% Spanish_Murcia + 43.4% Bantu_S.E. @ 6.58

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