The Jewish-Romani connection

[TheForeigner]

You only go by cartoonish stereotypes (given the world by europeans historically both about jews and gypsies). Not every jew is a scientist not every gypsy is a thieve. They meet somewhere in the middle or some of them.

No, I go by personal experience and official statistics. The two don't meet anywhere. Why would Europeans bad mouth Gypsies for no reason? The truth is that Gypsies have given very little of value to the world, especially when compared with Jews, Europeans or East Asians and most other peoples. When Gypsies are not on welfare, unemployed, involved in crime or just being downright barbarous, they are either bohemian artists(tiny group) or more often simple labourers like your folks. Gypsies have not given many men or women of great intelect to the world and the average IQ of Gypsies is quite low. They don't meet in the middle at all. You just go by politically correct niceties and lies.

[Mortimer]

But there are collective characteristics of the two peoples. Ashkenazi Jews have the highest IQ levels in the world while Gypsies have the lowest in Europe. Jews for example are one of the most richest ethnic groups in the western world while many gypsies do engage in things that most people find it criminal and so on according to criminal statistics and so on.

Thats true but there are also many similarities. For example both are diasporic populations suffered unique persecution etc. But it is true, also Im not sure gypsies all have a low IQ, to me this looks like racist Propaganda. Psychologists in Europe often declared gypsies to have a low IQ and send them to special needs school. Maybe this is not really true. And yes jews have alot of differences with gypsies too. Culture of education, while gypsies dont have a culture of education or poetry, written records etc. historically. But they have oral fairy tales, mythologies, stories and some are similar to jewish stories.

[Mortimer]

No, I go by personal experience and official statistics. The two don't meet anywhere. Why would Europeans bad mouth Gypsies for no reason? The truth is that Gypsies have given very little of value to the world, especially when compared with Jews, Europeans or East Asians and most other peoples. When Gypsies are not on welfare, unemployed, involved in crime or just being downright barbarous, they are either bohemian artists(tiny group) or more often simple labourers like your folks. Gypsies have not given many men or women of great intelect to the world and the average IQ of Gypsies is quite low. They don't meet in the middle at all. You just go by politically correct niceties and lies.

I dont believe that gypsies have a low IQ. My sister won a prize for her poesy and it was published in austrian national library and she is just a nobody and Hobby writer who did that once for fun. Also I think that many gypsies or maybe part gypsies have done some great Things but it is not known. Brasil had two gypsy presidents. Unfortunately most part gypsies and even many integrated gypsies dont identify as gypsies, and are ashamed of it, and dont say it they are.

[Kamal900]

Thats true but there are also many similarities. For example both are diasporic populations suffered unique persecution etc. But it is true, also Im not sure gypsies all have a low IQ, to me this looks like racist Propaganda. Psychologists in Europe often declared gypsies to have a low IQ and send them to special needs school. Maybe this is not really true. And yes jews have alot of differences with gypsies too. Culture of education, while gypsies dont have a culture of education or poetry, written records etc. historically. But they have oral fairy tales, mythologies, stories and some are similar to jewish stories.

In Europe maybe, but there were many peoples around the globe suffered a lot of persecutions as well, so it's not something unique for Jews and gypsies. Um, ancient Jews were Canaanites themselves and they are linguistically and culturally were far more similar to any Semitic ethnic group including Arabs who originated in what is now modern day Jordan and Southern Israel/Palestine than to any gypsy groups which most of them if not all of them are simply coincidental. Gypsies originated from what is now India, thus making them part of the Indian diaspora regardless on the fact that they no longer have much commonality with today's South Asians except in genetics and linguistics.

[Mortimer]

In Europe maybe, but there were many peoples around the globe suffered a lot of persecutions as well, so it's not something unique for Jews and gypsies. Um, ancient Jews were Canaanites themselves and they are linguistically and culturally were far more similar to any Semitic ethnic group including Arabs who originated in what is now modern day Jordan and Southern Israel/Palestine than to any gypsy groups which most of them if not all of them are simply coincidental. Gypsies originated from what is now India, thus making them part of the Indian diaspora regardless on the fact that they no longer have much commonality with today's South Asians except in genetics and linguistics.

There are also Indian jews. I think gypsies have alot of middle eastern DNA. No one said that so far but they could be a jewish/Indian hybrid. Or it is iranian I have no idea. But technically they could be. As they are easy half middle eastern.

[Kamal900]

There are also Indian jews. I think gypsies have alot of middle eastern DNA. No one said that so far but they could be a jewish/Indian hybrid. Or it is iranian I have no idea. But technically they could be. As they are easy half middle eastern.

Those Indian Jews are genetically predominately South Asians. Most of the middle eastern ancestry among gypsies is from west asia like Iran and Anatolia, not from the Levant, Arabia or Egypt.

[Mortimer]

Those Indian Jews are genetically predominately South Asians. Most of the middle eastern ancestry among gypsies is from west asia like Iran and Anatolia, not from the Levant, Arabia or Egypt.

They could be jews who really travelled alot wen they were persecuted. Jews have a Long history of persecution there are west asian (babylonian/iraqui/iranian jews) they could be half that who travelled further to Indian mixed with Indians and came back. No one says they are pure ashkenazis or pure israelites.

[Kamal900]

They could be jews who really travelled alot wen they were persecuted. Jews have a Long history of persecution there are west asian (babylonian/iraqui/iranian jews) they could be half that who travelled further to Indian mixed with Indians and came back. No one says they are pure ashkenazis or pure israelites.

Again, it's entirely coincidental. Gypsies weren't aware that they had Middle Eastern ancestry before the advent of genetics. Not sure why you're trying that hard to link your people with Jews considering that most Jews barely even think about Gypsies all that much. Most of the intermarriage between Jews and Gentiles are with Whites.

[TheForeigner]

I dont believe that gypsies have a low IQ. My sister won a prize for her poesy and it was published in austrian national library and she is just a nobody and Hobby writer who did that once for fun. Also I think that many gypsies or maybe part gypsies have done some great Things but it is not known. Brasil had two gypsy presidents. Unfortunately most part gypsies and even many integrated gypsies dont identify as gypsies, and are ashamed of it, and dont say it they are.

Your sister is one individual and not representative of Gypsies as a whole. It's simply a fact that famous psychologists like Canadian Phillip Rushton have studied Gypsy IQ and found it to be quite low on average. Of course there are also many smart Gypsies and even gifted or many more who are at the same level as average Europeans, but the majority have a low IQ. Calling science "racist propaganda" is just admitting you have no arguments.

[Mortimer]

Again, it's entirely coincidental. Gypsies weren't aware that they had Middle Eastern ancestry before the advent of genetics. Not sure why you're trying that hard to link your people with Jews considering that most Jews barely even think about Gypsies all that much. Most of the intermarriage between Jews and Gentiles are with Whites.

Gypsies were also not aware of being from india when they came to europe they said they are from egypt. Right? Until somem 200 years ago based on linguistics an hungarian scientist discovered they must be from india. Their stories, and myths, and also how they were treated in europe remind more of jews and middle eastern origins then Indian origins.