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    Quote Originally Posted by Thracian View Post
    Only Mehmed Akif was an Albanian, the others were just Balkan Turks.
    Mehmed Esat was of Albanian origin according to Jacques Kayaloff


    Mehmed Esad was born into an Albanian Muslim family in Yanya (now Ioannina) on October 18, 1862, the son of Mehmed Emin Efendi, who had served as mayor of the city.[2][3] According to Jacques Kayaloff, he was of Albanian origin.[2] His brother, also an Albanian Mehmed Wehib (1877–1940), also became a distinguished general.
    His brother was also a general

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmet_Esat_B%C3%BClkat


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wehib_Pasha



    Kemal Ataturk was said before to of had Albanian or Greek origin but other sources claim different origin so I am unsure about him ....


    Mehmet Akif was partly of Albanian origin,


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmet_Akif_Ersoy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    Despite i agree there were a lot of Albanian officers in Ottoman army, in Galipoli these officers were Balkan Turks.
    The sources I quoted say they were Albanians though... not sure where you are getting that they were Balkan Turks ?

    Kemal Ataturks ancestry is also disputed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xz2k9 View Post
    The sources I quoted say they were Albanians though... not sure where you are getting that they were Balkan Turks ?

    Kemal Ataturks ancestry is also disputed.
    As an Albanian, i suppose you could understand who is Albanian in your history and who is not. As a Türk i can understand too. Don't make me tired

    Simple: Ataturk's paternal ancestry can be traced to Anatolia because his father was Yörük and they had their own specific records in Ottoman registers. Also, i have DNA sample from where his mother born, Langaza. Close to my result.
    qpAdm: Bulgarian_1.DG= 77 - Kimak.SG= 23, p= 0.36, se= 0.31.
    Y: Q-L330 > Q-YP771 > Q-BZ180 > Q-F16045* (F15008*) --> Baikal N, Altai MLBA, Aldy-Bel, Pazyryk, Hun.
    MT: K1a --> Iron Gates, Starcevo, Bulgaria N, Bulgaria CA, Bulgaria BA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xz2k9 View Post
    The sources I quoted say they were Albanians though... not sure where you are getting that they were Balkan Turks ?

    Kemal Ataturks ancestry is also disputed.
    There were Balkan Turks before in the Balkans... some of them were Albanian or Bosnian who were “Turkified” but there were also original Balkan Turks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Xz2k9 View Post
    The sources I quoted say they were Albanians though... not sure where you are getting that they were Balkan Turks ?

    Kemal Ataturks ancestry is also disputed.
    There were Balkan Turks before in the Balkans... some of them were Albanian or Bosnian who were “Turkified” but there were also original Balkan Turks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Xz2k9 View Post
    Mehmed Esat was of Albanian origin according to Jacques Kayaloff



    His brother was also a general

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmet_Esat_B%C3%BClkat


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wehib_Pasha



    Kemal Ataturk was said before to of had Albanian or Greek origin but other sources claim different origin so I am unsure about him ....


    Mehmet Akif was partly of Albanian origin,


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmet_Akif_Ersoy
    Many Muslims in Balkans during the Ottoman Empire considered themselves as Albanians. In reality, many of them were not Albanians. On the other hand, they could have Albanian ancestors as well.

    For Ataturk, he was a Turk and furthermore he was a Turkish nationalist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thracian View Post
    Many Muslims in Balkans during the Ottoman Empire considered themselves as Albanians. In reality, many of them were not Albanians. On the other hand, they could have Albanian ancestors as well.

    For Ataturk, he was a Turk and furthermore he was a Turkish nationalist.
    Majority of them were Albanian, this is why Turkey has 5 million citizens of Albanian backgrounds who 90% of them went there through “force”


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    Quote Originally Posted by valentinavalley2 View Post
    Majority of them were Albanian, this is why Turkey has 5 million citizens of Albanian backgrounds who 90% of them went there through “force”


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    I don't think that number is so high as you said but almost all of Albanians in Turkey are just partly Albanians and they do not speak Albanian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valentinavalley2 View Post
    Majority of them were Albanian, this is why Turkey has 5 million citizens of Albanian backgrounds who 90% of them went there through “force”


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    You just forgot saying that Michael Jackson was Albanian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valentinavalley2 View Post
    Majority of them were Albanian, this is why Turkey has 5 million citizens of Albanian backgrounds who 90% of them went there through “force”


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    Sorry if i woke you up from your wet dream but there are only 1.3 million Arnauts in Turkey and most of them are mixed with Turks.

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