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    Default First Bulgarian Empire 700 - 1100 AD

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    I think you have your time line mixed up.

    Update: Good, you've changed it
    Last edited by Crn Volk; 10-09-2019 at 11:28 PM. Reason: Accurate now

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    Treasure of Nagyszentmiklós - from the period. According to Professor Nykola Mavrodinov (based on Vilhelm Thomsen), the script on vessel number 21 is in Bulgar, written in Greek letters, surrounding a cross, and reads, "Boyla Zoapan made this vessel. Butaul Zoapan intended it for drinking."[

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treasu...entmikl%C3%B3s

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    Did you mean the 6-11th centuries ? Lol

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    ...Even if a man lives well, he dies and another one comes into existence. Let the one who comes later upon seeing this inscription remember the one who had made it. And the name is Omurtag, Kanasubigi.

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    It wasn't an empire, but a Khanate. Empire is a Greco-Roman fabric, thus European type of state, hence utilized to describe European states. That wasn't the case for the Bulgar state.

    Besides, the people who created that empire were the Bulgars, a Turkic people. Modern Bulgarians are different, they are a Slavic people.



    Quote Originally Posted by PAGANE View Post
    Balkar people in the Caucasus might possibly be a branch of Bulgars too. And the branch of Bulgars who went until Ravenna, Italy disappeared but left some marks. Like BVLGARI brand LoL.

    It must also be noted there weren't any "Khazars" back then, sources from that time refer to them as either Turk or Huns. They became "Khazars" starting from 8th century.

    Their first Khagan was Tong Yabgu's son, possibly named Böri who had also launched the Transcaucasus invasion of 629 CE of the Western Turkic Khaganate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turxanthus View Post
    It wasn't an empire, but a Khanate. Empire is a Greco-Roman fabric, thus European type of state, hence utilized to describe European states. That wasn't the case for the Bulgar state.

    Besides, the people who created that empire were the Bulgars, a Turkic people. Modern Bulgarians are different, they are a Slavic people.





    Balkar people in the Caucasus might possibly be a branch of Bulgars too. And the branch of Bulgars who went until Ravenna, Italy disappeared but left some marks. Like BVLGARI brand LoL.

    It must also be noted there weren't any "Khazars" back then, sources from that time refer to them as either Turk or Huns. They became "Khazars" starting from 8th century.

    Their first Khagan was Tong Yabgu's son, possibly named Böri who had also launched the Transcaucasus invasion of 629 CE of the Western Turkic Khaganate.
    Yes, I agree that Bulgaria was never an empire. Whether the Bulgarians created this country are Turkic has not been proven, at least as far as genetics is concerned. Linguistically, I can assume that their language may have been Ogur or Turkic. We can also only assume that based on the fact that until the Kubrat secession and the establishment of an independent state, they were part of the West Turkic kaganate and vassals of the Avars. Therefore, any speculation about the origin of the old Bulgarians is inappropriate. In the Caucasus today, it is difficult to determine who might be related to some of the Bulgarians who remained in the old lands. In Italy, there are not many place names associated with the Bulgarians who receive land from the Lombards and settle there, but today they are assimilated into the Italian nationality, which is normal. Celle di Bulgheria is a town and commune in the province of Salerno in the Campania region of southwestern Italy. The town was named after the Bulgars who settled here in the early Middle Ages. Celle Bulgheria is located in Southern Cilento, close to Mount Bulgheria, and Vallo di Diano National Park.
    ...Even if a man lives well, he dies and another one comes into existence. Let the one who comes later upon seeing this inscription remember the one who had made it. And the name is Omurtag, Kanasubigi.

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    "THE SARMATE COUNTRY BULGARIA"


    Byzantine authors often and usually strive to show their scholarship, use deliberately archaic names for different peoples, or put them into one common denominator without being interested in the details of where they came from. In Byzantine sources, Bulgarians are regularly referred to as "Scythians," Huns, "Moesies" and possibly "Massagets" and "Geths." However, it is interesting that in the Byzantine texts the ethnonym "Turks" was specially reserved for the Magyars and the Bulgarians were never called Turks.
    Unlike the Byzantine masters of the word, Armenian medieval authors did not suffer from pseudoscientific mania to archaize, and they sought to call the peoples by their real names. If archaicization is observed in some cases, it is not intentional but due to a delayed database update of events that have occurred since. For this reason, the information of the Armenian historian Levond or Leontius (ca. 790), which follows, is particularly valuable, because on the one hand Levond is a contemporary of the events he writes about, and on the other he lacks the typical of the Byzantine ones. his colleagues archaizing.


    "In the seventh year [of the reign] of Mahmet (1), Emperor Levon (2), son of Kostandin (3), died, and Kostandin (4), his son, a young boy, reigned in his stead. When he saw Mahmet, the prince of the Ishmaelites, the death of the Greek king, he gathered a large army and made Ahron (5), his son, in command, and sent him over to the side of the Greeks. And when the Israeli troops reached the Greek side, at the same time the Greek troops came out against them. And when they stood against each other, the [Greeks] abstained [from battle, but] closed their way [to return]. And the Israeli troops could not go out in search of food and in the midst, and there was a great famine among the Ismaili troops.
    And Tachat, the son of Grigor, who is from the Andzevatsi house, whom we have previously told, had once escaped the prince of Ishmael under Emperor Kostandin in the Greek country, who welcomed him with great glory because of his courage, because even before that, the rumor about his manhood had reached him. There he displayed before the king courage in the Sarmatians, called BULGHARK, and returned with great victories. And when he saw the emperor's courage in his heart, he appointed him the leader of 60,000 men, and he served in the king of Greece for 22 years. And after the death of Kostandin, of his son Levon, and of the reigning Kostandin, he was a stubborn laborer at the queen (6), who was the mother of Emperor Kostandin. "


    In the above passage, Levond talks about the prominent Armenian aristocrat (Naharar) Tacha Andzevatsi and the Arab campaign of 781, led by the future Caliph Harun ar-Rashid. Then the Arabs force the Adat border crossing in Cilicia and shortly reach Chrysopolis on the shores of the Bosphorus. The Byzantine Empire was saved thanks to the agreement to pay 70,000 nomisms an annual tax. At that time, the Roma troops in Asia Minor were commanded by the Armenians Tacha Andzevatsi and by Artavazd Mamikonean. In 778, they severely defeated the Arabs of the city of Germanicia (Marash) in northern Syria.
    Tacha entered service with the Romans as early as 753. In 756, according to Levond, he was part of the Roma expeditionary force, brought by sea and landed in Dobrudja to act against the Bulgarians. Apparently, at that time, Thachat had "shown to the king the courage in the land of the Sarmatians, who was called Bulghark, and returned with great victories." However, Levond does not call Bulgaria and the Bulgarians "Scythians", "Huns", "Mizzi", "Getty", but Sarmati and thus inadvertently confirms the conclusions of archaeologists that to a large extent the Bulgarians from the Northern Black Sea region and the North Caucasus belong to the late Sarmatian wave that flooded the region in 1-2 century AD
    ...Even if a man lives well, he dies and another one comes into existence. Let the one who comes later upon seeing this inscription remember the one who had made it. And the name is Omurtag, Kanasubigi.

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    My Empire the best!

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