For the OR members Loki poll

[Baron Samedi]

Thank you for your understanding.





From my understanding, yes.

Cheers!...Aemma

LOL.... Wow.... What the hell did he think he was going to do in the OR?

Odians have no business being in major heathen organizations.... At least not yet.

And perhaps some people revere Loki because they chaos and entropy.... Maybe they are masochists at heart and love a little pain once in a while? (I certainly know I do, and I mean that in a completely spiritual/religious sense).

It all depends ones personal goals.

[Rasvalg]

My personal view and this is after discussions with other Odinists and OR members is that the reason for not hailing Loki is number one to not invite anymore chaos into our lives than needed. Not that he is the semitic devil but that he is chaos incarnate. Yes he is Odins blood brother but that does not make him one of the Gods that are hailed at sumble or one of the gods that we call on for help.
Our lives are chaotic enough without inviting Loki into them for a party.
This is my understanding of the OR's stance. Being not a current OR member and also not the writer of the policy I cannot comment on the mindset at the time of the writing.
I can say this after contact with actual Loki worshipers though. They are completely out of control and wish to bring chaos to every corner of your life. Now I like a little chaos now and then because the tests that come with it make me the man that I am but they are way over the top with the whole chaos thing.
Much better to hail Tyr or Forseti.
This is all that I have to say. Heil Odin.
Oh yes the whole temple of set member thing had great baring on the whole statement that was put forth by the OR I had almost forgot about that time period. To bad that I couldn't LOL. Thanks Aemma for putting it back out there it is actually good that people realize that some of us don't follow the left hand path just that we wish to know the fullness of ourselves.

[Aemma]

As a LHP adherant, and someone of a Celto-Germanic mindset, however.... I will stick with (and refer people) towards established, traditional (read "folkish) magical groups of a Germanic mindset, such as the Wolfbund and the Galdragildi.

Well I'm glad to hear that Hellasson and as it should be in my opinion if one is of a Celto-Germanic mindset. I truly believe that each of us should keep to our own respective cultures' forms of esoterica, not to mention culture-specific spiritual expression.

I should make the attempt perhaps to further explore these groups which you mention. I think it would be most enlightening for me.

Cheers!...Aemma

[Aemma]

LOL.... Wow.... What the hell did he think he was going to do in the OR?

Odians have no business being in major heathen organizations.... At least not yet.

And perhaps some people revere Loki because they chaos and entropy.... Maybe they are masochists at heart and love a little pain once in a while? (I certainly know I do, and I mean that in a completely spiritual/religious sense).

It all depends ones personal goals.

Indeed. We all look for different things in life, hence the reason for different orgs.

[Hildolf]

I understand...

Is that Edred Thorsson aka Stephen Flowers?

Stephen Flowers is no longer a ToS member and has even wrtiten an article describing the differences between the ToS and the Runegild. I think the ToS was just part of a journey for Flowers. The Runegild itself isn't LHP an error often made by people due to Flowers previous involvement with the ToS and of course his works like Lords of the LefthandPath.

My thoughts as an outsider regarding the OR stance on Loki is 1) You know before joining what their stance is and either agree or 2) Loki is of such little concern (i.e no desire to honour Him) that their stance simply isn't an issue.

To be honest I don't see why any heathen would want to Honour Loki or why the OR stance should be an issue.

[Solwyn]

The OR has as its primary mission to be at the vanguard of the re-awakening of our Northern Indo-Europeans' indigenous and organic spirituality. It sought to set itself apart from other modes of esoterica such as TOS and so be it.
It is not any better nor worse than any other religious org out there but for some of us it does suit us better. And as I have stated elsewhere, though as a group we do believe in the OR's main missions and tenets (the NNVs and the Charges), as to how the individual deities in our great Germanic pantheon are actually interpreted remains as individual an exercise as anything. Heathen spirituality given what it is (very individualistic within the broader communal framework of the hearth, if one should be so lucky as to be part of one), is very much respected at the OR, however within limits as per its stance on Loki. Again, it just is what it is. No org can be everything to everybody in the end. And I myself learned that fairly early on with my own membership at the AFA. It really wasn't for me.

I realise that some of you have not had the most pleasant of experiences with the OR perhaps or only know it through limited exposure via its website. But I do ask you to also recognise that in terms of preservation efforts it is by far the most hands-on and active in the heathen community--indeed in the Greater Northern European community I would further offer.

Cheers!...Aemma

Yeehaw lady!!!! What she said.

I'd elaborate but I'm still a little wound up from yet another interesting experience in the most multicultural city in North America.