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Thread: Eye and hair colour distribution among 2002 Bulgarians (both sexes studied) + general comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supercomputer View Post
    Also if we look at Romanians from 4 regions in Romania and Ukraine in a chart from Dyachenko they give an average of 0,92 to 1,3 (higher is darker eyed) with a total average of 1,06.

    According to this chart Romanians from Ukraine lighter than Romanians from Romania and they are on the same level as Moldovans. This makes sense since Moldovans and Romanians from Ukraine are mixed with Slavs.

    These Moldavian girls look very Slavic to me.
    https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...71#post6278971

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    Quote Originally Posted by theuser View Post
    Why you make me reicte all what you said? Do you have a short memory or are you a troll?

    Here: "I show you all the evidence in the world, but you just ignore it and then come up with some really dumb arguments that aren't even worth addressing."

    You here at least: "If I made Romanians 45% light eyed according to what you want"

    You did here: " Stop with non argumentative bashing of TNH"
    "Stop with your obsession with criticising my map."
    Wow apparently you aren't even familiar with figure of speech

    I accept argumentative and evidence guided criticism, (I changed my map based on evidence from Laag and Lukasz, didn't I?) but just keep calling me fraud without providing any legit evidence and ignoring all the evidence I show you. I'm just sick of repeating myself, that's it.

    You still wanna argue and call me a fraud or do you admit that the weight of evidence supports my view on Romania?

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    Quote Originally Posted by theuser View Post
    I am trying to be objective about Balkan countries but get next compulsive darkwashing of all Balkan countries and Hungary by the map maker dude who stopped me for discussing anything further(hopefully for the better) about his map. I remember vaguely from your thread about Popov that the map maker guy has lived in Slovenia or something like that(I am not sure how accurate my memories are). That would explain the type of his bias:
    on his map all countries(and absolutely all their regions including even entire Hungary) sharing Slovenia's latitude are shown predominantly brown eyed; but any predominantly brown eyed regions of Slovenia are hidden from his map. On his Light map of Croatia all units populated by the Kajkavians(whose dialect appears to be Slovenian rather than Croatian) are shown to be predominantly brown eyed which would mean that most Slovenian units may be the same - predominantly dark eyed by his definition. I also remember some studies showing Slovenia having mostly darker eyed areas. To challenge his speculations you may comply with his scale and set light eyes with brown pigments(up to 7 on Martin) in a separate category in your studies about Slovenia, Romania and Hungary. I see that the latter are more northern but are all less light eyed on his map(and THK's map) which is somewhat curious. I bet that if you exclude 7 on Martin all the three countries would be less than 50% light eyed on average.
    I made entire topics on Pigmentation of Hungarians and Slovenes with all the data(I found all these studies myself). That's what the studies support so I stand by my decision that ethnic Slovenes are bit lighter eyed than Hungarians. (at least when the studies were done). If you want to have a debate about this go right ahead. Also What is hidden on my map?? What studies show Slovenia being dark eyed areas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Blade View Post
    Polls mean nothing. I've seen one (on TA) according to which (Slovenes were not included) Albanians are lighter than all other Balkanites, except for Croats (only a few votes dividing them). Stuff like that means nothing.
    Furthermore, you must have noticed how Albanian and Serbian members here are several times more numerous than those from other (even larger than theirs) Balkan states.
    Another thing is many here (chiefly westerners) visit Romania and are prone to take every Gypsy for a local (since they are many in Romania) and from there the darkwashing of Romanians on the net. And, while you can find some people with certain Gypsy admixture among Romanians (which pretty much doesn't exist in the rest of Balkans), they are nowhere as common as some believe them to be, nor would anyone in their right mind include them in statistics like those I do (it's like including a half Nigerian in a study of Sweden).
    Just one piece of the puzzle mate. This guy was essentially claiming Romania should be comparable to Slovenia or France on my map. I just wanted to show him it's a predominately dark eyed nation.

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    BTW new research on Romanian pigmentation (among other things) since 53 page. https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&p...WM0ZjVjZThhODQ


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukasz View Post
    BTW new research on Romanian pigmentation (among other things) since 53 page. https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&p...WM0ZjVjZThhODQ

    25-30% light and light mixed eyes. Further evidence I was right about Romania unlike theuser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukasz View Post
    Blade, I think you don't know this new work on Bulgarian racial types frequency.

    Anthropological Types in Bulgarian Population around 1940 – Regional and Local Level, R. Stoev, 2016
    Institute of Experimental Morphology, Pathology and Anthropology with Museum, BAS, Sofia, Bulgaria

    http://www.iempam.bas.bg/journals/ac...a23/93-101.pdf

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    nice material

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supercomputer View Post
    25-30% light and light mixed eyes. Further evidence I was right about Romania unlike theuser.
    Adds to 26,3% for both sexes. If we add number 7 on Martin Schultz (claire & Intermediare-claire likely contains 1-6) it comes to a few percent more - just around 30% which perfectly fits into the fist Pittard study and TNH numbers and of course my map...further confirming that Pittard second study "Gris" category includes dark mixed eyes.

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    Varna and Burgas is domination regions of Pontid race

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Blade View Post
    My friend, I said it. Photos you post are from Pitt's later years. He has dyed his hair several times.
    However, in his youth and before fame (or hair dye if we interpret it this way) he had blond hair and darker roots:


    Hair colour under sunlight:
    The only problem with this is if someone like Brad Pitt is dark blonde based on 1-2 pictures, there's no way Dutch are only 24% blonde(a number which I agree with and have replicated myself).

    There's other young pictures of him, even in highschool, clearly has brown hair in a vast majority of them(although he was definitely blonde as a young kid, most NW Euros are):





    The Guanche skulls as a whole are unlike those of modern European Mediterraneans, and resemble northern European series most closely, especially those in which a brachycephalic element is present, as in Burgundian and Alemanni series.
    divided them into clearly differentiated types, which include a Mediterranean, a Nordic, a "Guanche," and an Alpine. The "Guanche" accounts for 50 per cent of the whole on the four islands of Teneriffe, Gomera, Gran Canaria, and Hierro; the Nordic for 31 per cent, the Mediterranean for 13 per cent, and the Alpine
    oldschool anthropology

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