Hungary Reportedly Opposed EU Declaration on Turkey At First

[Blondie]

Ahahaha



lol

but wait,

this part is interesting:



Werent you the one who scared to death when I wrote that the dominant Y-haplogroup among Finnish men is N1a, up to 60%, a huge figure and the same as Yakut (Saka) men, and tried to assert that the most important(!) is autosomal DNA results?



Well, yes, if we are talking about 'holy' Ural region, its not so far from Turkics and their ancestors, even the etymological studies on the root of ''Ur'' shows the connection to proto-Turkics. Prof. Mehmet Bayraktar writes:

'' 'Ur' originally means 'origin' or 'lineage' in Turkic languages, but as the words naturally evolve throughout thousands of years, we need to take this into consideration while extracting the truth. 'Ta', which meant 'Tanrı' (God) among proto-Turkic peoples like Sakaes was added as prefix to 'Ur' and gave rise to “Ta-ur” ˃ taur; but due to vowel harmony rules in Turkish, one of the two adjecent vowels dropped and gave rise to 'Tur' or 'Tar', both of which refers to the same root. This must date back to 17.000-18000 BC, and meant 'Godly lineage/origin. ''

He goes on ''Even the name 'Tartar' is a plural obtained by repeating the word twice in order to create plurality in ancient times: “Tar-tar ˃ Tartar”

Mr. Bayraktar is a multi-disciplined professor now the head of Anthropology at Yeditepe University. He can speak 7 languages and is able to researche a source in its native language

Turks and science lol, we are all know that they deny many genocide and claim others history for example scythians, hungarians, huns etc. Of course the turkic professors can prove anything that every nomad was turkic, every haplogroup are turkic, Darth Vader is turkic etc have you any other impartial non turkic proof?

Ural is far away from Turkic urheimat since turkics originated from the Altay region. Yakut peoples are not originally turkic but assimilated/turkicized nation pretty same as uralic samoyeds. Turkics assimilated many other ethnicity, that's why countless turkic nations have different paternal origin. Yakuts belong to N, baskhirs belong to r1b, kazakhs have C, turks have J, turkmens have Q, Kyrgyz have r1a-z93 etc. Of course the turkic propagandists claim every haplogroup as turkic which is not true. I can show such hungarian scientific linguist who claim that every language in the word originated from the hungarian language which is also laughable. So have you any non turkic impartial source?

[Nanushka]

Turks and science lol, we are all know that they deny many genocide and claim others history for example scythians, hungarians, huns etc. Of course the turkic professors can prove anything that every nomad was turkic, every haplogroup are turkic, Darth Vader is turkic etc have you any other impartial non turkic proof?

Ural is far away from Turkic urheimat since turkics originated from the Altay region. Yakut peoples are not originally turkic but assimilated/turkicized nation pretty same as uralic samoyeds. Turkics assimilated many other ethnicity, that's why countless turkic nations have different paternal origin. Yakuts belong to N, baskhirs belong to r1b, kazakhs have C, turks have J, turkmens have Q, Kyrgyz have r1a-z93 etc. Of course the turkic propagandists claim every haplogroup as turkic which is not true. I can show such hungarian scientific linguist who claim that every language in the word originated from the hungarian language which is also laughable. So have you any non turkic impartial source?

Turkish professors dont need your confirmation nor appreciation, they are working and producing, not talking shit depending on cliche, fairy tales and nonsense like some western researchers do. And all you do is parroting this old shit. Do you think that I have trust for those academics and their output (!) ? And what genocide are you talking about and what has that got to do with the topic? I think you try to play the smart and drag the conversation to another dimension but noone falls for it

I gave zillions of non-Turkic academic sources earlier for such discussions but some halfwits dared to claim we pay for them lol, so I will simply not bother again

PS: please dont speak about Yakuts, assimilated and Turkified X nations etc anymore, it sucks and you insistingly keep on showing your bias only

[Blondie]

Turkish professors dont need your confirmation nor appreciation, they are working and producing, not talking shit depending on cliche, fairy tales and nonsense like some western researchers do. And all you do is parroting this old shit. Do you think that I have trust for those academics and their output (!) ? And what genocide are you talking about and what has that got to do with the topic? I think you try to play the smart and drag the conversation to another dimension but noone falls for it

I gave zillions of non-Turkic academic sources earlier for such discussions but some halfwits dared to claim we pay for them lol, so I will simply not bother again

PS: please dont speak about Yakuts, assimilated and Turkified X nations etc anymore, it sucks and you insistingly keep on showing your bias only

Let's see the facts, turks are no2 "we wuz" memes after blacks, what do you think why? Yakuts have same paternal origin as for example finns. So by your logic finns are turkic, which is laughable. Haplogroup N is uralic marker not turkic:



Uralic peoples: Finland (61%), Lapland (53%), Estonia (34%), Udmurts (67%), Komi (51%), Mari (50%) and Mordvins (20%), Nenets (95%), Nganassans (95%)

Turkic peoples: Turkey (4%), Chuvashs (28% and all of their neighbours are uralic), Volga Tatars (21% and they lived among east european uralic peoples), Bashkirs (17% and all of their neighbours are uralic), Nogais (9%), Yakuts (90% their neighbours are uralic, slavic and paleo-siberians), haplogroup N among kazakhs, uzbeks, turkmens, azeris are minimal.

You can find the haplogroup N mostly among uralic speakers, and such turkic tribes who lived near Uralic peoples their N haplogroup is result of mixing/assimilation that's pretty clear, but most of turkics have no such haplogroup, so pls don't steal and claim everything.

[Nanushka]

Let's see the facts, turks are no2 "we wuz" memes after blacks, what do you think why? Yakuts have same paternal origin as for example finns. So by your logic finns are turkic, which is laughable. Haplogroup N is uralic marker not turkic:



Uralic peoples: Finland (61%), Lapland (53%), Estonia (34%), Udmurts (67%), Komi (51%), Mari (50%) and Mordvins (20%), Nenets (95%), Nganassans (95%)

Turkic peoples: Turkey (4%), Chuvashs (28% and all of their neighbours are uralic), Volga Tatars (21% and they lived among east european uralic peoples), Bashkirs (17% and all of their neighbours are uralic), Nogais (9%), Yakuts (90% their neighbours are uralic, slavic and paleo-siberians), haplogroup N among kazakhs, uzbeks, turkmens, azeris are minimal.

You can find the haplogroup N mostly among uralic speakers, and such turkic tribes who lived near Uralic peoples their N haplogroup is result of mixing/assimilation that's pretty clear, but most of turkics have no such haplogroup, so pls don't steal and claim everything.

Stealing is not Turks business, there are many half-caste nations that are doing it today in the best way. I have already given an explanation about the etymology of Ural, from the research of a Turkish professor, and what is your academic claim about it? Talk with 'real' evidence, not with wishful thinking. Turks are bearing this word, Ural, in their names and surnames today and do you know why? This is called 'collective memory' in academia, they didnt forget where they came from thousands of years ago, just like ''most of Turks still keep their half-nomadic life-style alive via moving to yazlık houses in the summer while they move back to kışlık houses in winter'' (Prof. Yaşar Çoruhlu, Art Historian, from Notes on Housing Architecture in Proto-Turks, 2019). These facts are like have been tucked into their genes, passing from generation to generation

Turks lived near many nations, not only Uralics, and evidence such as genetics, language, toponyms and hydronims indicates that Urals is the real urheimat of Turkics. Mixing with other peoples changed their genetics and phenotype, taking over their dominant phenotype (like Mongols/Chinese, and others too), not the other way around. Why do you not consider this possibility and try constantly to impose the invalid info that Turks were a mongoloid people that came from eastern Asia? Who proved that? On the contrary there are soo many old Arabic and Chinese sources that literally writes they mostly consisted of white and tall people. Turks in Turkey today are a mixture, like many Turks in other countries, but still there are ones who keep that original look

If you want to be taken seriously you need to learn to think and behave like a real academic, by submitting real evidence and being as objective as possible, but maybe you are too young for it, idk

[Petros Houhoulis]

Stealing is not canines business...

Basically, stealing is you know... There is no such a thing as "canine science". You are totally useless, you'd be hard pressed to find an influential scientists among all of you canines...

[Blondie]

Stealing is not Turks business, there are many half-caste nations that are doing it today in the best way. I have already given an explanation about the etymology of Ural, from the research of a Turkish professor, and what is your academic claim about it? Talk with 'real' evidence, not with wishful thinking. Turks are bearing this word, Ural, in their names and surnames today and do you know why? This is called 'collective memory' in academia, they didnt forget where they came from thousands of years ago, just like ''most of Turks still keep their half-nomadic life-style alive via moving to yazlık houses in the summer while they move back to kışlık houses in winter'' (Prof. Yaşar Çoruhlu, Art Historian, from Notes on Housing Architecture in Proto-Turks, 2019). These facts are like have been tucked into their genes, passing from generation to generation

Turks lived near many nations, not only Uralics, and evidence such as genetics, language, toponyms and hydronims indicates that Urals is the real urheimat of Turkics. Mixing with other peoples changed their genetics and phenotype, taking over their dominant phenotype (like Mongols/Chinese, and others too), not the other way around. Why do you not consider this possibility and try constantly to impose the invalid info that Turks were a mongoloid people that came from eastern Asia? Who proved that? On the contrary there are soo many old Arabic and Chinese sources that literally writes they mostly consisted of white and tall people. Turks in Turkey today are a mixture, like many Turks in other countries, but still there are ones who keep that original look

If you want to be taken seriously you need to learn to think and behave like a real academic, by submitting real evidence and being as objective as possible, but maybe you are too young for it, idk

Why you have only turkish professors/sources? Because the scientific community of the world don't accept your claims when you see turks everywhere among every nation and people, and you claim these peoples/history just because your ancestors raped them. This is laughable. For example Hungary is genetically very slavic, so can hungarians claim slav historical things as their own? Of course not, because they are not slavs, just like these raped/assimilated peoples are not originally turkic, that's why their haplogroup is not turkic because it's not connected to the proto-turks.
Ural is not a real Urheimat of turkics, the Ural region was completely uralic speaker, your language is not uralic but altaic similar to other east asian languages: mongol, korean, japanese, Altaic languages are east asian linguistic family because they originated from there (turkics too). Other thigs what you wrote doesn't matter because this is not a question. The question or your claims was the haplogroup N is turkic which is not true, you can found the haplogroup N mostly in uralic speakers, and such turkic nations who lived near uralic peoples. According to your logic finns are the most turkic peoples in the World, don't you feel it laughable?
Turkish sources are not real evidence, the turkish scientific world has nothing to do with science but strongly connected to the turkish nationalism and historical claims against others thats why these professors can "prove" everything. The western sources is much better because there is democracy and independent scientific world in the West unlike in Turkey which is a half dictatorship.

[Nanushka]

Why you have only turkish professors/sources? Because the scientific community of the world don't accept your claims when you see turks everywhere among every nation and people, and you claim these peoples/history just because your ancestors raped them. This is laughable. For example Hungary is genetically very slavic, so can hungarians claim slav historical things as their own? Of course not, because they are not slavs, just like these raped/assimilated peoples are not originally turkic, that's why their haplogroup is not turkic because it's not connected to the proto-turks.
Ural is not a real Urheimat of turkics, the Ural region was completely uralic speaker, your language is not uralic but altaic similar to other east asian languages: mongol, korean, japanese, Altaic languages are east asian linguistic family because they originated from there (turkics too). Other thigs what you wrote doesn't matter because this is not a question. The question or your claims was the haplogroup N is turkic which is not true, you can found the haplogroup N mostly in uralic speakers, and such turkic nations who lived near uralic peoples. According to your logic finns are the most turkic peoples in the World, don't you feel it laughable?
Turkish sources are not real evidence, the turkish scientific world has nothing to do with science but strongly connected to the turkish nationalism and historical claims against others thats why these professors can "prove" everything. The western sources is much better because there is democracy and independent scientific world in the West unlike in Turkey which is a half dictatorship.

I will only reply when you stop talking, talking and only talking, and learn to talk with evidence instead of parroting 'Turkish sources are not real evidence' and nothing more. What has 'our half-dictatorship' has got to do with academia, we have no such issues here regarding proto-Turkic history as they are not pro-Turks. You are confusing the concepts. And oh, who said that western sources are trustable, I dont even give a shit to most of them, we know how politically and cunningly they were formulized on special order

Basically, stealing is you know... There is no such a thing as "canine science". You are totally useless, you'd be hard pressed to find an influential scientists among all of you canines...

you are not worth replying rabid greek

[Petros Houhoulis]

you are not worth replying rabid greek

Canine "science":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Language_Theory

The Sun Language Theory (Turkish: Güneş Dil Teorisi) was a Turkish nationalist linguistic pseudoscientific hypothesis developed in Turkey in the 1930s that proposed that all human languages are descendants of one proto-Turkic primal language. The theory proposed that because this primal language had close phonemic resemblances to Turkish, all other languages can essentially be traced back to Turkic roots. According to the theory, the Central Asian worshippers, who wanted to salute the omnipotence of the sun and its life-giving qualities, had done so by transforming their meaningless blabbering into a coherent set of ritual utterings, and language was born, hence the name.^[1]

There's no such a thing as canine "science" kiddo, just propaganda...