who is overall closer looking to Italians ? Albanians, Greeks, Portugese or Spanish ?

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

It's been a while since I last heard from you man welcome back


Btw you're kinda right.... Though Italy is still considered to be western mediterranean....

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I was just pointing out that from a geographic perspective it has the Iberian peninsula on its left and the Balkan peninsula on its right. From a cultural standpoint Italy has always been part of the West.

[Jana]

North Italians are genetically SW Europeans, South Italians are genetically SE Europeans. Tuscans are in-between.

[valentinavalley2]

Lol but south italians are good looking, especially the men.

True


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[Samnium]

Lol but south italians are good looking, especially the men.

What she said is a large exageration I don't know why people want to portray S.Italy as equally dark or equally exotic. That's not true. There are areas that are very similar to central italians regions I'm not only talking about Northern Campania but SE Sicily, Cosenza area (Northern Calabria), Northern Basilicata. I think people have the stereotype of the swarthy italian that speak loudly, this is maybe the typical "Neapolitan" but nowhere all the S.Italians.

There are also very sharp genetics differences in that region, people often don't know that in S.Italy you cand find people more closer to NA than to 95% of european genetically to people that are Tuscan-like, I'm not joking.

[Samnium]

North Italians are genetically SW Europeans, South Italians are genetically SE Europeans. Tuscans are in-between.

Recent studies and genetical results tend to prove that the clinal model of Italian genetics is false, particuliarly in the South.

+ Iberia is mostly just "Western", actually Basques are the most Western people that you can have.

[Avgvstvs]

I was just pointing out that from a geographic perspective it is has the Iberian peninsula on its left and the Balkan peninsula on its right. From a cultural standpoint Italy has always been part of the West.

Yes, culturally is more similar to Iberia, the Romans played a huge part in that.

Think also in terms of language.....West(considering the southern half of Europe) means Romance languages, and Italy is surrounded by Germanic, Slavic, Hellenic(i mean only greek) languages (Excluding France and Italian part of Switzerland of course), yet linguistically has nothing to share with Austria, Slovenia or Greece. Well, a lot of words of Greek origin are common in many languages and are often are specifical terms regarding for example pathologies.

The point is that also language proves Italian "westerness"

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[Jana]

Recent studies and genetical results tend to prove that the clinal model of Italian genetics is false, particuliarly in the South.

+ Iberia is mostly just "Western", actually Basques are the most Western people that you can have.

Western and southern.

[Tenma de Pegasus]

Greeks, Spanish, Portuguese, Italians and Albanians are overall similar to eachother but also have their own look in my opinion. An individual with with any of those ethnic backgrounds can usually pass unoticed in most of Southern Europe. Italy being at center of the southernwest and southerneast Europe is like a "combination" of all, if we can say so. In most PCAs Italian individuals plot in between Iberians and Albanians\Greeks depending on the region.

South Europeans have more differences and specific phenotypes because they live in Peninsulas and not in continuos mass land like north euros.

[Avgvstvs]

North Italians are genetically SW Europeans, South Italians are genetically SE Europeans. Tuscans are in-between.

Genetic is just one thing, I know Tuscans very well, since they're practically my bunch and I've a lot of Tuscan ancestry and I can tell you that those samples might say they're in between but in terms of look they are very Southwestern..... This of course if we have to be more specifical, since we all know that several phenotypes and looks are shared by all the European ethnicities on the mediterranean, from Spain to Greece.

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[Hulu]

Flumina can you see the maps?