Vlachs East Balkan in Origiin?

[Aspirin]

they also originate from Romania.

Aromanians are not from Romania, they are very Dinaro-Medish in apparence, totally different people with different culture and very weird language.

[Pribislav]

this is what "morlaco" means in Spanish(google translate)

Noun
1
Bull fighting, especially the large one.
two morlacos lagged behind and created some dangerous situations.
2
Money in general, especially paper money bills.
He reached into his pocket and took out the few remaining morlacos.

Adjective
1
[person] Pretend nonsense or ignorance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morlac...an_irregulars)

[vbnetkhio]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morlac...an_irregulars)

i know, i wanted to say that Venetians used the Spanish word for "bull" or "idiot" to insult Croats and Serbs

[Jana]

they also originate from Romania.

Aromanians are native Balkan latinised Illyrians and Thracians. Only Vlachs in eastern Serbia originate from Romania as far as I know, those in Timok. They are not Aromanian.

[Jana]

Aromanians are not from Romania, they are very Dinaro-Medish in apparence, totally different people with different culture and very weird language.

Very true. However they are genetically close to southern Romanians.

[Jana]

It's not much important are they from central/eastern Balkan or Transylvania, point is that they came from east and they are not natives of Adriatic coast as Dalmatian and Istriot speakers.
Ancestors of Isto-Romanians are recorded in Dalmatian hinterland in 14th century, how much years was enough to them to arrived from Transylvania to Dalmatia? Let's say they arrived from Transylvania in 13th or 14th century, but according to Stears there was no Vlachs in Transylvania in that time.

There obviously were, although it's debatable how many. They were probably hiding in Carpathian highlands. But yes, Istro-Romanians are not native eastern Adriatic Romance speakers.

[Benyzero]

So what is the ancient ancestry of Vlachs? Is it a group indigenous to Romania or they a descendants of some early specific balkanic tribe. Is it representative of the hungarian word Oláh? that refers to a group of romanian origin.

[vbnetkhio]

Aromanians are not from Romania, they are very Dinaro-Medish in apparence, totally different people with different culture and very weird language.

Aromanians are native Balkan latinised Illyrians and Thracians. Only Vlachs in eastern Serbia originate from Romania as far as I know, those in Timok. They are not Aromanian.

historical sources claim differently. why is nobody talking about this?
and Aromanian is considered to be a East Romance dialect that split off from Romanian around the 10th century and took a lot of Greek influence. you are the first Romanian who i see claiming he doesn't understand it

Vlasi

Ovde treba
istaći da se između Makedonije,
Ahaje i Soluna, na velikom
prostoru, nalazi jedan veoma
brojan narod koji se naziva
Vlasima.Oni su nekada bili
rimski pastiri i nekada su
živeli u Ugarskoj gde su se, zbog
izuzetne plodnosti zemlje i
bujnosti zelenila, nalazili
pašnjaci Rimljana.
Ali, kada su ih na kraju Ugri
odatle oterali, pobegli su u ove
krajeve. Imaju puno odličnog
sira, mleka, mesa, više od svih
naroda.

in english:
It must be pointed out, that on a large area between Macedonia, Achaea and Thessaloniki, live a very numerous people who are called Vlachs. They used to be shepherds of the Romans, and used to live in Hungary, where, because of the exuberant greenery and extraordinary fertility of the land, Romans had their pastures. But, when the Hungarians eventually expulsed them from there, they fled into this area. They have many excellent cheese, milk, meat, more than any other people.

In the 11th century Strategikon text, Cecaumenos the Byzantine historian described the Vlachs from Thessaly (i.,e. the Aromanians of Great Wallachia) as being descendants of ancient Dacians and Bessi who invaded Greece from the area on the Danube , supposedly seeking revenge for the defeat inflicted to their ancestors by Trajan during the Dacian Wars.

[Jana]

So what is the ancient ancestry of Vlachs? Is it a group indigenous to Romania or they a descendants of some early specific balkanic tribe. Is it representative of the hungarian word Oláh? that refers to a group of romanian origin.

Vlach had many different meanings trough centuries. It can mean Latin speakers, it can mean social class of sheperds etc.
Wales and Wallonia for example are named after Vlachs/Latin speakers.

Balkan Vlachs are mainly of native Balkan origins with some Slavic admix (and probably Roman). Same applies to Romanians, but unlike those Balkan Vlachs Romanians are native north of the Danube River.

[Mingle]

So what is the ancient ancestry of Vlachs? Is it a group indigenous to Romania or they a descendants of some early specific balkanic tribe. Is it representative of the hungarian word Oláh? that refers to a group of romanian origin.

Vlach is just a catch-all term for Romance people of Eastern Europe. It's cognate to the Hungarian term. The word came to Proto-Slavic from a Germanic term meaning "foreigner". It was used by Germanics for non-Germanic people (Welsh and Vlach are cognates) while it was used by Slavs for Romance people.

In the Balkans, they're mostly Romanized natives, but the ones from east Serbia and Istria are descendend from Romanian migrants.