Celts = SW French all but now confirmed(MBA Bavarians)

[SharpFork]

I've hard time reconciling this theory of Basque-like Celts with the results from Iron Age England, Bohemia or Northern Iberia, it seems to me to be a far-fetched theory, especially considering that even if we don't take a literal approach to the anthropological descriptions made by Greeks and Romans, the Celts definitely appeared different enough to them to at least give basis to exaggeration about their appearance.

[TheForeigner]

This is ironic, since SW Gaul was not Celtic, but populated by pre-IE Aquitanians.

[SharpFork]

This is ironic, since SW Gaul was not Celtic, but populated by pre-IE Aquitanians.

Yeah I'd rather look at it as being a local trend rather than generalize it to all Celts, after all this place was close to the Alps-dwelling Raetians which if they are anything like other relatively close non-IE people like Basques and Etruscans, would have been a good fit to explain those results AFAIK rather than a centuries long caste division.

[TheForeigner]

Yeah I'd rather look at it as being a local trend rather than generalize it to all Celts, after all this place was close to the Alps-dwelling Raetians which if they are anything like other relatively close non-IE people like Basques and Etruscans, would have been a good fit to explain those results AFAIK rather than a centuries long caste division.

I would imagine there was some genetic and phenotypic diversity between the different Celtic populations. I don't think Boii, Britons and Celtiberians were the same.

[SharpFork]

I would imagine there was some genetic and phenotypic diversity between the different Celtic populations. I don't think Boii, Britons and Celtiberians were the same.

Sure but at the same time this theory requires a very huge Germanic input and presumes a very low Roman input which I don't think is warranted. Plus the 2 early Iron Age Hallstatt samples from Bohemia definitely are not Basque like, not even the one from Empuries is.

[Peterski]

This would be ironic if it was true, since SW Gaul was not Celtic, but populated by pre-IE Aquitanians.

^^^ Fixed.

[Ikiru]

I've hard time reconciling this theory of Basque-like Celts with the results from Iron Age England, Bohemia or Northern Iberia, it seems to me to be a far-fetched theory, especially considering that even if we don't take a literal approach to the anthropological descriptions made by Greeks and Romans, the Celts definitely appeared different enough to them to at least give basis to exaggeration about their appearance.

Yes. Strabo (1st century AD) actually wrote that there was a strong difference in how Aquitanians (Basque and SW French people) and Gauls (continental Celts) looked. He even went as far as saying that Aquitanians looked more like Iberians.

[TheOldNorth]

I would imagine there was some genetic and phenotypic diversity between the different Celtic populations. I don't think Boii, Britons and Celtiberians were the same.

yeah Boii where likely alpine-esque, britons where north atlantid, gauls where atlantid and sub nordid, and celtiberians where antlo-med with possibly some alpine

[SharpFork]

So is there anything other than those samples from 7 centuries before the Hallstatt expansion that show Basque like potentially Celtic individuals? I can't believe this is enough to build such a theory.