Celts = SW French all but now confirmed(MBA Bavarians)

[XenophobicPrussian]

http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2019/1...onnection.html

Don't mean to toot my own horn, but I've been calling this for 3 years now(well, I was saying Basque or central French, close enough, right in the middle). Something had to explain the southernly shift of S. Germans if the historic Germanic migration period actually happened and it was either going to be southern shifted(aka non-British Isles like) native Celts or massive Roman admixture, the former seemed much more likely, and I had also seen a PCA of a Tumulus culture sample that I can't find anymore, and more Bell Beaker samples were coming out of places like France that were heavily mixed with extra local EEF, clustering similarly.

As you can see in the PCA below, Lech Valley Beakers and early Bronze Age Lech Valley people are a mish-mash of anything from pure Dutch northern Beaker-like invaders to Iberian-like mixed which is pretty much Dutch beaker-like invader and Otzi(not far from Lech Valley)/Sardinian-like native.



Then once you get to the Middle Bronze Age and everyone has fully mixed with the population homogenized, you have a tight cluster right around where SW French cluster. It is only 3 samples, but they just so happen to all cluster extremely closely and are much later than the older samples.

The Corded Ware samples are dated 2800-2500(one of which has R1b btw), Bell Beaker 2500-2150, EBA 2150-1500, and MBA is 1500-1200 BC(only 300 years before or right when Hallstatt culture is dated to!)

Hallstatt core(darkest colour):


Location of the samples:


This absolute raving Basque madman was right, everyone was Basque: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...hidden-history

Looks like the only late BA and IA population relics left in Europe are certain Scandinavians, Basques/SW French, Polesia Ukrainians/SW Russians, Greek Cretans and Balts, maybe southern Albanians, everyone else are mutts. Also, we need to rename "Hallstatt Nordid" tbh. They probably looked like Charles de Gaulle.

[Adamastor]

They probably looked like Charles de Gaulle.

More like Jacques Cousteau, no?

Anyway, interesting information, it seems early Etruscans were also Basque-like. There was a much bigger genetically Basque continuum in Europe in the past.

[Tenma de Pegasus]

Long Live Basque Europe and all their nations

[Token]

Nice post. In fact, most of Southwestern and Central Europe are going to be Southwestern French/Basque-like before Roman, Germanic and Slavic expansions.

[Tenma de Pegasus]

Somebody can explain why Central Europe is not more SW Europe Celtic alike those days?

Modern Central Europe is much more germanic shifted. Maybe before Christ, germans were living in Poland/Belarus and then migrated to West... does it make sense?

[Token]

Somebody can explain why Central Europe is not more SW Europe Celtic alike those days?

Modern Central Europe is much more germanic shifted. Maybe before Christ, germans were living in Poland/Belarus and then migrated to West... does it make sense?

Have you ever heard of Migration Period?

[Vid Flumina]

Basque have lower steppe and excess WHG compared to these MBA Lech samples, even French South - which is Gascony as a matter of fact - isn't optimal.

I've seen results from Toulouse and they look like a better approximation (higher steppe/WHG drops)

[Creoda]

Doesn't surprise me too much tbh, Celtic culture (the ancient continental kind) always struck me as decidedly non-IE and Southern influenced. There also had to be an explanation for the Southern shift of NW Europeans since the Bronze Age.

[Peterski]

Uploading to GEDmatch in 1, 2, 3...

It is only 3 samples

Only three? I think there are more MBA samples.

From Supplementary Tables:

OTTM_100 Lech_MBA
OTTM_109 Lech_MBA
OTTM_110 Lech_MBA
OTTM_141 Lech_MBA
OTTM_141A Lech_MBA
OTTM_142 Lech_MBA
OTTM_151ind1 Lech_MBA
OTTM_151ind2 Lech_MBA
OTTM_152 Lech_MBA
OTTM_154 Lech_MBA
OTTM_156 Lech_MBA
OTTM_165 Lech_MBA
OTTM_79 Lech_MBA
OTTM_81 Lech_MBA
OTTM_84 Lech_MBA
OTTM_87 Lech_MBA
OTTM_91 Lech_MBA
OTTM_92 Lech_MBA
OTTM_94 Lech_MBA
OTTM_97 Lech_MBA

Maybe some have poor quality. I'll try to upload all.

[Tenma de Pegasus]

Have you ever heard of Migration Period?

Obviously duh. I am looking for some good scientific material about those migrations. If somebody have read something revelant and would like to recommend here.