Celts = SW French all but now confirmed(MBA Bavarians)

**Samnium** · 10-13-2019, 08:12 PM

It seems also that the autochtonous population from S.Italian was sardinian-like in the very past.

**Peterski** · 10-13-2019, 08:19 PM

OTTM_151ind2 - kit number EA4660908 - Eurogenes K15 below:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 32.53
2 West_Med 22.1
3 North_Sea 17.32
4 East_Med 11.68
5 Baltic 9.64
6 West_Asian 3.7
7 Eastern_Euro 1.93
8 Red_Sea 1.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Valencia 3.76
2 Spanish_Andalucia 4.71
3 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 5.59
4 Spanish_Aragon 5.75
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 5.86
6 Spanish_Cataluna 5.96
7 Southwest_French 6.18
8 Spanish_Murcia 6.23
9 Spanish_Cantabria 6.82
10 Spanish_Extremadura 7.34
11 Portuguese 8.21
12 North_Italian 9.48
13 Spanish_Galicia 9.98
14 French 13.76
15 French_Basque 14.48
16 Tuscan 15.24
17 South_Dutch 17.51
18 Austrian 19.59
19 Serbian 19.64
20 Romanian 20.16

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.1% Spanish_Valencia + 6.9% Bulgarian @ 3.46
2 61% French_Basque + 39% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.47
3 96.4% Spanish_Valencia + 3.6% Lithuanian @ 3.49
4 93.8% Spanish_Valencia + 6.2% Romanian @ 3.52
5 94.8% Spanish_Valencia + 5.2% Croatian @ 3.53
6 96% Spanish_Valencia + 4% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.54
7 96.5% Spanish_Valencia + 3.5% Belorussian @ 3.55
8 96.3% Spanish_Valencia + 3.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.55
9 94.6% Spanish_Valencia + 5.4% Greek @ 3.56
10 96% Spanish_Valencia + 4% South_Polish @ 3.56
11 96.3% Spanish_Valencia + 3.7% Ukrainian @ 3.58
12 95.1% Spanish_Valencia + 4.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.58
13 96.8% Spanish_Valencia + 3.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.58
14 95.6% Spanish_Valencia + 4.4% Moldavian @ 3.58
15 95.2% Spanish_Valencia + 4.8% Hungarian @ 3.59
16 96.8% Spanish_Valencia + 3.2% Estonian_Polish @ 3.59
17 96.6% Spanish_Valencia + 3.4% Polish @ 3.6
18 96.9% Spanish_Valencia + 3.1% Southwest_Russian @ 3.6
19 94.8% Spanish_Valencia + 5.2% Austrian @ 3.61
20 81.8% Spanish_Aragon + 18.2% Bulgarian @ 3.62

^^^
This one is Spanish-like in K15, not South-West French.

For comparison Eurogenes K13:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 35.33
2 West_Med 28.6
3 Baltic 16.89
4 East_Med 14.77
5 West_Asian 2.99
6 Red_Sea 1.11
7 Sub-Saharan 0.25
8 Oceanian 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Portuguese 7.13
2 Spanish_Galicia 7.18
3 Spanish_Valencia 7.39
4 Spanish_Cataluna 7.44
5 Spanish_Extremadura 7.96
6 North_Italian 8.19
7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 8.21
8 Spanish_Cantabria 8.62
9 Spanish_Andalucia 8.63
10 Spanish_Murcia 8.67
11 Southwest_French 8.81
12 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 8.88
13 Spanish_Aragon 11.12
14 French 11.35
15 Tuscan 14.52
16 West_German 16.36
17 South_Dutch 16.45
18 Serbian 17.4
19 Romanian 17.47
20 Austrian 18.46

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.5% West_German + 36.5% Sardinian @ 2.76
2 54.4% North_German + 45.6% Sardinian @ 2.92
3 63.4% South_Dutch + 36.6% Sardinian @ 3.18
4 70.6% Southwest_French + 29.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.25
5 69.4% Southwest_French + 30.6% Bulgarian @ 3.34
6 51% Swedish + 49% Sardinian @ 3.51
7 53.4% Danish + 46.6% Sardinian @ 3.66
8 70.5% Spanish_Cantabria + 29.5% Bulgarian @ 3.89
9 53.5% North_Dutch + 46.5% Sardinian @ 3.95
10 51.4% Norwegian + 48.6% Sardinian @ 3.96
11 68.4% Southwest_French + 31.6% Romanian @ 3.96
12 78.4% Spanish_Valencia + 21.6% Moldavian @ 4.16
13 78% Southwest_French + 22% Ashkenazi @ 4.21
14 72.5% French + 27.5% Sardinian @ 4.21
15 60.8% Austrian + 39.2% Sardinian @ 4.27
16 69.4% Spanish_Cantabria + 30.6% Romanian @ 4.28
17 52.5% North_Italian + 47.5% Southwest_French @ 4.29
18 79.2% Spanish_Valencia + 20.8% Croatian @ 4.29
19 75.4% Spanish_Andalucia + 24.6% Croatian @ 4.33
20 79.9% Spanish_Andalucia + 20.1% Ukrainian @ 4.35

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OTTM_151ind1 - kit number FY3463698 - Eurogenes K15 results:

This one is low coverage - 6925 SNPs used in this evaluation

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 36.41
2 West_Med 16.56
3 Baltic 16.13
4 Eastern_Euro 11.32
5 Atlantic 10.93
6 West_Asian 3.6
7 Amerindian 2.76
8 Red_Sea 2.29
9 Siberian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_German 13.7
2 East_German 14.48
3 Swedish 14.95
4 Norwegian 15.06
5 North_Swedish 15.33
6 Hungarian 15.51
7 West_Norwegian 16.41
8 South_Dutch 17.11
9 North_Dutch 17.23
10 Southwest_English 17.79
11 North_German 17.94
12 French 18.03
13 Danish 18.19
14 Southwest_Finnish 18.24
15 Finnish 18.5
16 Ukrainian_Lviv 18.84
17 Moldavian 18.97
18 Southeast_English 19.09
19 Ukrainian 19.1
20 Orcadian 19.51

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.3% West_German + 30.7% Ukrainian @ 12.02
2 83.1% Swedish + 16.9% Sardinian @ 12.07
3 69% West_German + 31% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 12.07
4 82.2% North_Swedish + 17.8% Sardinian @ 12.11
5 56.9% West_Norwegian + 43.1% Moldavian @ 12.12
6 62.4% Norwegian + 37.6% Moldavian @ 12.28
7 76.8% West_German + 23.2% Estonian @ 12.48
8 81.9% West_German + 18.1% Erzya @ 12.49
9 63.8% Swedish + 36.2% Moldavian @ 12.6
10 84.1% Norwegian + 15.9% Sardinian @ 12.62
11 53.8% Hungarian + 46.2% West_Norwegian @ 12.64
12 82.4% West_German + 17.6% Lithuanian @ 12.64
13 75% West_German + 25% South_Polish @ 12.68
14 52.4% Norwegian + 47.6% Hungarian @ 12.7
15 57.3% West_Norwegian + 42.7% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 12.71
16 72.4% West_German + 27.6% Finnish @ 12.71
17 81.7% West_German + 18.3% Kargopol_Russian @ 12.74
18 73.9% West_German + 26.1% Moldavian @ 12.77
19 63.5% Norwegian + 36.5% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 12.79
20 78.6% West_German + 21.4% East_Finnish @ 12.8

**Samnium** · 10-13-2019, 08:32 PM

So basically Iberians, SW French and North-Italians can be considered as the "best" descendants of celts. Interesting.

**Peterski** · 10-13-2019, 08:35 PM

^^^
I would wait with such conclusions as even Celtiberians were more northern-shifted than these Lech Valley samples:

Kit number XX4675994 - I3757 Celtiberian
Kit number ED6110729 - I3758 Celtiberian
Kit number RF6275768 - I3759 Celtiberian

**Samnium** · 10-13-2019, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by Peterski

^^^
I would wait with such conclusions as even Celtiberians were more northern-shifted than these Lech Valley samples:

Kit number XX4675994 - I3757 Celtiberian
Kit number ED6110729 - I3758 Celtiberian
Kit number RF6275768 - I3759 Celtiberian

Yeah they are more northern-shifted, English populations pop up and German, Scottish as well.

**Vid Flumina** · 10-13-2019, 08:41 PM

Quick model with custom calc:

Apricity member dududud (part Sardinian/part Northern French) seems even closer:

Originally Posted by Vid Flumina

Basque have lower steppe and excess WHG compared to these MBA Lech samples, even French South - which is Gascony as a matter of fact - isn't optimal.

I've seen results from Toulouse and they look like a better approximation (higher steppe/WHG drops)

As expected:

**Creoda** · 10-13-2019, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by Peterski

^^^
I would wait with such conclusions as even Celtiberians were more northern-shifted than these Lech Valley samples:

Kit number XX4675994 - I3757 Celtiberian
Kit number ED6110729 - I3758 Celtiberian
Kit number RF6275768 - I3759 Celtiberian

The Celts who expanded into Iberia were probably somewhere between SW French and NW Europeans.

**Peterski** · 10-13-2019, 08:43 PM

Only one Lech_MBA sample was added to Global25 ???

I can see only one in the spreadsheet.

**Calpurnius** · 10-13-2019, 08:53 PM

Rather than Basques it seems like, at least the one that made it into G25, was closest to NE Iberians. Basques have excess WHG and somewhat less steppe. Still pretty damn close.
Thinking about it, that "Roman" legionary from Germany, FN_2 from ~300-500AD that appeared to be of SW French origins may have even been one of such locals.

**Peterski** · 10-13-2019, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by Calpurnius

Rather than Basques it seems like, at least the one that made it into G25, was closest to NE Iberians.

This is exactly what he scores also in Eurogenes K15 - Spain Valencia with eastern shift.

BTW soon I will post the kit numbers for all. But most of them are probably low coverage.

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Kit numbers for all 20 (later I will delete the ones with the lowest quality):

EA4660908 - OTTM_151ind2
FY3463698 - OTTM_151ind1
NA5070389 - OTTM_79
MP9687031 - OTTM_81
FL5829200 - OTTM_84
MA9697954 - OTTM_87
UX7977361 - OTTM_91
AA3277189 - OTTM_92
XF6070401 - OTTM_94
DW2518913 - OTTM_97
ZR3509780 - OTTM_100
SY9482279 - OTTM_109
SK2965316 - OTTM_110
ET7029712 - OTTM_141
BV1276995 - OTTM_141A
XS1398451 - OTTM_142
KL3729710 - OTTM_152
NQ4057442 - OTTM_154
QJ6801120 - OTTM_156
UF3982508 - OTTM_165