The most xenophile nation?

[Blondie]

I can post just as much supporting the truth from other wikipedia pages. In fact, here's the Turkish wiki saying Hungarians are in the Uralic (Fin-Ug) language family but that Hungarians are primarily a Turkic people. See? Amazing how that works when we can each source from an open source encyclopedia rather than using the latest science as sources. You always post blogs and wikipedia quotes because all sources produced today go against your beliefs and point to the Turkic origin of our conquering ancestors. We both know if you had better evidence to post you would, but you don't, so you yell merely what you can. The science marches on without your consent.

How turkic origin when they have never been turkic speakers? My genetic data base is not from wikipedia, so why are you lying again? THese haplogroups came from here:
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/597997v1
I remember when you posted ethnic turks from Turkey to prove hungarians are turanist and you lied that they are hungarians not turks, i debunked you with the google search. And you are very laughable because science don't consider hungarians as turkic ethnicity....

[Westbrook]

This 100%. Could also say any of the smug cuck filled Nordic states who spend all day smelling their own farts and fawning over their untamed migrant pets.

Most probably Canada

[Turul Karom]

Thanks, but I haven't ever said that Hungarians have nothing to do with Turkics. I've always said the Old Hungarians had a Turkic elite and Turks founded Hungary. I think the Old Hungarians can be considered partially Turkic. The only thing we really disagreed on was when I said it seems weird for modern Hungarians to mainly identify with Anatolian Turks, Azeris, Uzbeks, Kazakhs, Kyrgyzes, etc. over their European neighbors like Slovakia, Croatia, Austria, etc. considering they have much stronger historic/cultural/genetic ties to the latter. Its fine to recognize that a relationship exists between Hungarians and Turkics but it seems strange for a Hungarian to put a much greater emphasis on their ancient connection with Kazakhs and Uzbeks as opposed to that with other Central European nations, and use that as an excuse to promote Pan-Turkism in politics and whatnot.

Perhaps you are stressing this unnecessarily; I feel a connection to other Europeans and other Turkics. I have no issue with the neighbors. If you've followed my posts, I am also on good terms with Romanians. It is the EU which is a threat to us all. I don't advocate for the dissolution of one empire to join another, regardless of who runs it or what it is composed of.

How turkic origin when they have never been turkic speakers? My genetic data base is not from wikipedia, so why are you lying again? THese haplogroups came from here:
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/597997v1
I remember when you posted ethnic turks from Turkey to prove hungarians are turanist and you lied that they are hungarians not turks, i debunked you with the google search. And you are very laughable because science don't consider hungarians as turkic ethnicity....

You quote wikipedia all the time, and perform what is called "moving the goalposts" in conversation. You're poor at manipulating a conversation, because you use wikipedia quotes that say "Hungarians are not Turkic", then I say wikpedia shows Hungarian origins as Turkic depending on the language of the page selected. Wikipedia is not an academic resource, but pretending it was, I just proved that Hungarians are Turkic by quoting wikipedia too. You always post blogs and wikipedia quotes because all sources produced today go against your beliefs and point to the Turkic origin of our conquering ancestors. We both know if you had better evidence to post you would, but you don't, so you yell merely what you can.

Also, the link you provide says that that conquering Hungarians are closest to Bashkirs. The photos you are referencing are a misquote, which I have already addressed, that it was a supporting protest in Turkey regarding Szekler autonomy. The concept was not that they are exactly the same as "Hungarians", but that they feel the same familial connection which makes us similar. You debunk nothing, only twisting or avoiding points.

From your favorite source:

[Blondie]

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"Hungarian, also called Magyar, member of a people speaking the Hungarian language of the Finno-Ugric family and living primarily in Hungary, "

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Hungarian-people

"The Hungarian language is classified as a member of the Ugric branch of the Uralic languages; as such, it is most closely related to the Ob-Ugric languages, Khanty and Mansi, which are spoken east of the Ural Mountains. It is also related, though more distantly, to Finnish and Estonian, each of which is (like Hungarian) a national language; to the Sami language of far northern Scandinavia; and, more distantly still, to the Samoyedic languages of Siberia. Ethnic Hungarians are a mix of the Finno-Ugric Magyars and various assimilated (!!!) Turkic, Slavic, and Germanic peoples."
https://www.britannica.com/place/Hun...nage-and-soils

"Comprehensively analyzing the results, both the linguistically recorded Finno-Ugric roots and historically documented Turkic and Central Asian influxes (!!) had possible genetic imprints in the conquerors’ genetic composition."

"The Finno-Ugric origin of the Hungarian language is well recorded by linguistic research, which lead to an assumption that there was a Uralic substrate of the ancient Hungarian population2. However, Turkic-speaking groups could also have had a significant role in the formation of the Hungarian people and political institutions, as suggested by ancient Turkic loanwords in the early layer of the Hungarian language and the Turkic origin of toponyms and person names of tribe leaders of the conquest-period11. After leaving the Central Uralic homeland, an obvious source of the Turkic influence was the Turkic-speaking political environment of the Bulgars (Onogurs) and Khazars in the 9th-century Eastern European steppe, where the Hungarians lived for a period of time. "

"The historically and linguistically assumed homeland of the ancient Hungarians was in the Central Ural region, which is an easily accessible part of the mountain range. Finno-Ugric-speaking groups might have settled on both sides of the Urals during the early Medieval period29. Archeological records, for example, from central-eastern Uralic site Uelgi, indicate archaeological cultural mixture of northern Ugric and eastern steppic Turkic elements."
https://www.nature.com/articles/srep33446

Uralic genetic in conqueror hungarians 4/2 had uralic paternal origin:

"4 archaeologically Hungarian bone samples from the 10th century were studied for this polymorphism. Among the modern individuals, only one Szekler carries the Tat C allele, whereas out of the four skeletal remains, two possess the allele."
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...9.2008.00440.x

Conqueror hungarian Y haplogroup database:



https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/597997v1

5 conqueror had uralic N1a paternal origin. Map of haplogroup N:



Only only had turkic haplogroup Q:

"Many of clades of haplogroup Q1a are believed to have been brought by the Huns, the Mongols and the Turks, who all originated in the Altai region and around modern Mongolia. Haplogroup Q has been identified in Iron Age remains from Hunnic sites in Mongolia by Petkovski et al. (2006) and in Xinjiang by Kang et al. (2013). Modern Mongols belong to various subclades of Q1a, including by order of frequency Q1a2a1c (L330), Q1a1a1 (M120), Q1a1b (M25) and Q1a2a2 (YP4004)."
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_Q_Y-DNA.shtml

Finno-ugric peoples:
http://www.suri.ee/r/index-eng.html

The comon Finno-Ugric cooperation:
"Over the course of time, the unity of Finno-Ugric peoples has had a considerable impact on their cultural emancipation. Finns, for instance, have been influenced by their relationship with Hungarians, and in turn have supported their next-door neighbours, the Karelians. Estonians have used Finns as an example to emulate, and have received varied assistance from them. With the help of Finns, Estonians, and Hungarians, the Livonian (or Liv) ethnic consciousness and literary culture in Latvia was brought back from oblivion during the period between the two World Wars. Awareness of their kinship with the Finns, Hungarians, and Estonians is presently crucial for boosting the self-awareness of the Finno-Ugrians living in Russia. And moral as well as material aid from their “linguistic brethren” in the outside
world is crucial for the preservation of their languages and cultures"
https://vm.ee/sites/default/files/co...ic_Peoples.pdf

"The Uralic language family stretches from Northern to Central Europe to Siberia. It consists of 39 languages spoken by some 25 million people. It is believed that they originated from a common ancestor, *Proto-Uralic, spoken by early-Uralic people who lived some 7,000 years ago in the area of the Ural Mountains, the Russian range that separates Europe from Asia. The predecessors of the Finnic and Finno-Ugric peoples moved west and south, whereas the predecessors of the Samoyedic peoples moved north and east into Siberia. The oldest written documents in the Uralic languages date back to the 13th century.

Uralic languages with the largest number of speakers are Hungarian, Finnish, and Estonian. The rest are minority languages of Russia in different stages of endangerment, with some on the brink of extinction. Uralic languages spoken by more than 1,000 speakers are listed below."
https://www.mustgo.com/worldlanguage...nguage-family/

Other sources:
https://www.persee.fr/doc/rbph_0035-..._num_90_3_8272

http://www.nytud.hu/depts/fu/report2016.pdf

"Uralic is a broad language family which covers wide areas of modern Northern Europe and Siberia. Daughters of Uralic languages are still spoken in Estonia and Finland, by many smaller groups that are located across Russia, and with one southern offshoot, Magyar, in Hungary."
https://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingL...rianUralic.htm

Uralic peoples map from Bitannica:



Summary: So i don't deny that conquerors were turkic-uralic mixed but originaly hungarians had uralic ethnic origin who got foreign turkic influences later. There is much more uralic paternal line than turkic in the conqueror population shows the original roots of conqueror male population, the hungarian language belong to Uralic family not in the Turkic family. These all scientific facts.

[TheMaestro]

https://imgur.com/ymMBXKO

Turks love each other in CSGO too.