k36 schematic map ("PCA")

**Lucas** · 10-17-2019, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

here, it's a little bit overcrowded

first zoomed out so you can see the outliers:

zoomed in:

Replace Bell_Beaker with BB. It will save some space. Later I will post other ancients from latest datasets, if Peterski wouldn't post them earlier. And you can add those Lech samples for standard ancient spreadsheet.

Also maybe for countries Hungary = HU, Nederland = NL etc.

**vbnetkhio** · 10-17-2019, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

Well, you can see some of my samples. SashaB (half Rus half Arm), Half-Abkhaz, R.K. (not sure what exactly, most likely some kind of Dagestani (50%) and Northern Russian) - they all don't plot even in the Balkans

they are a mix of Eastern Euro and Caucasus, so they plot between those 2 zones, not in the Balkans.
if you find a half Ukrainian half Italian , he would plot in the Balkans.

Originally Posted by Leto

That goes to show the Caucasus is genetically not part of Europe (too far away from any Euro cluster).

it's just the modern situation.
what if Scythians and Sarmatians still existed? they were a bridge between Eastern Euro and Caucasus. then the Caucasus wouldn't be isolated.

**Leto** · 10-17-2019, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

they are a mix of Eastern Euro and Caucasus, so they plot between those 2 zones, not in the Balkans.
if you find a half Ukrainian half Italian , he would plot in the Balkans.

Any mixed European would plot in Europe. Someone who is half Estonian and half Portuguese would plot deep in Europe.
By the way, Bunalim plots among Bulgarians and Macedonians - he's half Trabzon Turkish (almost 0% mongoloid) and half British.

**Vid Flumina** · 10-17-2019, 12:43 PM

Loving the work so far, I'm exacly where I should be: between Enr1989 (Friulian) and the two far SW Piedmontese.

By the way, why did you remove Swiss Italian/Aosta avg?

**~~War Chef~~** · 10-17-2019, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

Well, you can see some of my samples. SashaB (half Rus half Arm), Half-Abkhaz, R.K. (not sure what exactly, most likely some kind of Dagestani (50%) and Northern Russian) - they all don't plot even in the Balkans (excl. some Balkan Turks). Even War Chief who is 1/4 Ossetian is outside the Balkan cluster. That goes to show the Caucasus is genetically not part of Europe (too far away from any Euro cluster).

It doesn't really say much though. I mean Sardinians and Basques cluster extremely western, but all they are is mostly Anatolian farmers who went extreme genetic drift. The Caucasus people are a eastern version of that.

**~~Enr1989~~** · 10-17-2019, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

averages

users

Thank you, I plot exactly where I am supposed to, seems more reliable than most of calculators.
Btw where do the avareges for Friuli, Veneto and Italian come from? The IT_North is the Bergamo sample?

**vbnetkhio** · 10-17-2019, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

Someone who is half Estonian and half Portuguese would plot deep in Europe.

so you don't consider Yamnaya, Scythians, Sarmatians, Cimmerians European? they probably looked like modern day lighter Chechens

**vbnetkhio** · 10-17-2019, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Vid Flumina

Loving the work so far, I'm exacly where I should be: between Enr1989 (Friulian) and the two far SW Piedmontese.

By the way, why did you remove Swiss Italian/Aosta avg?

i wanted to have no overlapping labels when i zoom out on entire Europe.
so i just lef the Swiss German to represent that area. it was too crowded otherwise.

i posted the filtered europe map a few pages back

**Leto** · 10-17-2019, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

so you don't consider Yamnaya, Scythians, Sarmatians, Cimmerians European? they probably looked like modern day lighter Chechens

Who is talking about looks? Shall I bring up culture now? Lol.

**Vid Flumina** · 10-17-2019, 01:19 PM

Here's a few more for next update:

Swiss_Burgdorf

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France_Annecy1

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France_Annecy2

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IT_Udine

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