Arvanite Music

[Petros Houhoulis]

Arvanite is an Albanian language, it’s not Ancient Greek, it has Greek influences however the root of Arvanite is Illyrian.


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We know too little about Illyrian to judge how much is Albanian related to it, and which sort of Illyrian, because not all Illyrians spoke the same dialects or even languages, for sure...

[Petros Houhoulis]

Arvanites are lost , they have become Grek maskaradhes...

You are even more lost, you are a canine maskaras.

[Epirus DNA]

Arvanite is an Albanian language, it’s not Ancient Greek, it has Greek influences however the root of Arvanite is Illyrian.

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Λεξικόν της Ρωμαϊκοις και Αρβανητηκής Απλής
The original manuscript of the dictionary is at the National Library in Paris. Botsaris titled his dictionary “Lexicon of the simple Romaic and Arbanitic language” (Λεξικόν της Ρωμαϊκοις και Αρβανητηκής Απλής).

The Greek terms are in columns on the left of the pages, not in alphabetical order, and the Albanian words on the right, written in Greek letters. Apart from single words, the dictionary includes complexes of words or short phrases. The Greek entries are in total 1701 and the Albanian 1494.

On the first page there is a hand-written notice by Pouqueville: “Ce lexique est écrit de la main de Marc Botzari à Corfou 1809 devant moi.” This manuscript, which includes also a kind of Greek–Albanian self-teaching method with dialogues written by Ioannes Vilaras and a French-Albanian glossary by Pouqueville, was donated by the latter to the Library in 1819. The dictionary was dictated to the young M. Botsaris by his father Kitsos (1754–1813), his uncle Notis (1759–1841) and his father-in-law Christakis Kalogerou from Preveza.

Titos Yochalas, a Greek historian who studied and edited the manuscript, noticing that some Greek words are translated into Albanian in more than one way, believes that M. Botsaris was writing the Greek words and the elders were translating into Albanian. As many of the entries seem unlikely to be useful either for the Suliots or the Albanians of that time and circumstances, Yochalas believes that the dictionary was composed after Pouqueville’s initiative, possibly as a source for a future French-Albanian dictionary. He also observes that the Albanian phrases are syntaxed as if were Greek, concluding that either the mother tongue of the authors was the Greek or the Greek language had a very strong influence on the Albanian, if the latter was possibly spoken in Souli (Yochalas, p. 53).

The Albanian idiom of the dictionary belongs to the Tosk dialect of south Albanian and retains many archaic elements, found also in the dialect spoken by the Greco-Albanian communities of South Italy and Sicily. In the Albanian entries there are many loans from Greek (approx. 510), as well as from Turkish (approx. 190) and Italian (21).

[Epirus DNA]

It's natural that you understand them, Arvanitika is a sub-dialcet of Tosk. Every Albanian can understand them.

The most beautiful Arvanite song is this one i think:



This other one isn't bad too:

Nobody understands nor cares about your shitty Albanian translations of Greek Folk Music and Warrior Poems.

[E24-H08]

Arvanitika was brought to southern Greece during the late Middle Ages by settlers from what is today Albania. Arvanitika is also closely related to Arbëresh, the dialect of Albanian in Italy, which largely goes back to Arvanite settlers from Greece. Italian Arbëresh has retained some words borrowed from Greek (for instance haristis 'thank you', from ευχαριστώ; dhrom 'road', from δρόμος; Ne 'yes', from ναι, in certain villages). Italo-Arbëresh and Graeco-Arvanitika have a mutually intelligible vocabulary base, the unintelligible elements of the two dialects stem from the usage of Italian or Greek modernisms in the absence of native ones.

While linguistic scholarship unanimously describes Arvanitika as a dialect of Albanian[10] many Arvanites are reported to dislike the use of the name "Albanian" to designate it,[9] as it carries the connotation of Albanian nationality and is thus felt to call their Greek identity into question.

Sociolinguistic work[11] has described Arvanitika within the conceptual framework of "ausbausprachen" and "abstandssprachen".[12] In terms of "abstand" (objective difference of the linguistic systems), linguists' assessment of the degree of mutual intelligibility between Arvanitika and Standard Tosk range from fairly high[13] to only partial (Ethnologue). The Ethnologue also mentions that mutual intelligibility may even be problematic between different subdialects within Arvanitika. Mutual intelligibility between Standard Tosk and Arvanitika is higher than that between the two main dialect groups within Albanian, Tosk and Gheg. See below for a sample text in the three language forms. Trudgill (2004: 5) sums up that "[l]inguistically, there is no doubt that [Arvanitika] is a variety of Albanian".

You are incredibly daft.

[Epirus DNA]

Arvanitika was brought to southern Greece during the late Middle Ages by settlers from what is today Albania. Arvanitika is also closely related to Arbëresh, the dialect of Albanian in Italy, which largely goes back to Arvanite settlers from Greece. Italian Arbëresh has retained some words borrowed from Greek (for instance haristis 'thank you', from ευχαριστώ; dhrom 'road', from δρόμος; Ne 'yes', from ναι, in certain villages). Italo-Arbëresh and Graeco-Arvanitika have a mutually intelligible vocabulary base, the unintelligible elements of the two dialects stem from the usage of Italian or Greek modernisms in the absence of native ones.

While linguistic scholarship unanimously describes Arvanitika as a dialect of Albanian[10] many Arvanites are reported to dislike the use of the name "Albanian" to designate it,[9] as it carries the connotation of Albanian nationality and is thus felt to call their Greek identity into question.

Sociolinguistic work[11] has described Arvanitika within the conceptual framework of "ausbausprachen" and "abstandssprachen".[12] In terms of "abstand" (objective difference of the linguistic systems), linguists' assessment of the degree of mutual intelligibility between Arvanitika and Standard Tosk range from fairly high[13] to only partial (Ethnologue). The Ethnologue also mentions that mutual intelligibility may even be problematic between different subdialects within Arvanitika. Mutual intelligibility between Standard Tosk and Arvanitika is higher than that between the two main dialect groups within Albanian, Tosk and Gheg. See below for a sample text in the three language forms. Trudgill (2004: 5) sums up that "[l]inguistically, there is no doubt that [Arvanitika] is a variety of Albanian".

You are incredibly daft.

HAHAHAHA @ You forgot to take out the Wikipedia indentations.

Arvanitika is a mix between Italian, Greek, Turkish, and Albanian. It has more LOAN WORDS from Greek than any other Language--- including Albanian. You're an idiot.

[Hulu]

HAHAHAHA @ You forgot to take out the Wikipedia indentations.

Arvanitika is a mix between Italian, Greek, Turkish, and Albanian. It has more LOAN WORDS from Greek than any other Language--- including Albanian. You're an idiot.

Arbereshe come mostly from the Arvanite, their Albanian is pretty pure.

[Epirus DNA]

Arbereshe come mostly from the Arvanite, their Albanian is pretty pure.

There are no monolingual Arvanitika-speakers. They are all bilingual in Greek. Many features of the Arbereshe language was lost in mainstream Albanian Tosk. Italian Arbereshe has retained some words borrowed from Greek (for instance haristis 'thank you', from ευχαριστώ; dhrom 'road', from δρόμος; Ne 'yes', from ναι, in certain villages). Arvanitika shares many features with the Tosk dialect spoken in Southern Albania. However, it has received a great deal of influence from Greek, mostly related to the vocabulary and the phonological system. This is why Markos Botsaris dictionary showed more Greek Loan Words than Albanian.

[Hulu]

There are no monolingual Arvanitika-speakers. They are all bilingual in Greek. Many features of the Arbereshe language was lost in mainstream Albanian Tosk. Italian Arbereshe has retained some words borrowed from Greek (for instance haristis 'thank you', from ευχαριστώ; dhrom 'road', from δρόμος; Ne 'yes', from ναι, in certain villages). Arvanitika shares many features with the Tosk dialect spoken in Southern Albania. However, it has received a great deal of influence from Greek, mostly related to the vocabulary and the phonological system. This is why Markos Botsaris dictionary showed more Greek Loan Words than Albanian.

So some villages have 3 Greek words they are bilingual? I have spoken with Arbereshe in Italy, pure and clean Albanian they speak. Arvanite may have borrowed the Greek words much later.

We already dissussed.Bocari, he was part of the Albanian division while a Greek one existed. Case closed.

[Epirus DNA]

So some villages have 3 Greek words they are bilingual? I have spoken with Arbereshe in Italy, pure and clean Albanian they speak. Arvanite may have borrowed the Greek words much later.

We already dissussed.Bocari, he was part of the Albanian division while a Greek one existed. Case closed.

The name has nothing to do with linguistic "purity" or lack thereof. It is merely a reflection of the fact that Arvanitika is an "Albanian" language spoken by Greeks, just like Judaeo-Spanish is the Spanish spoken by Jews, not a mixture of Castilian and Hebrew.