Arvanite Music

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The name has nothing to do with linguistic "purity" or lack thereof. It is merely a reflection of the fact that Arvanitika is an "Albanian" language spoken by Greeks, just like Judaeo-Spanish is the Spanish spoken by Jews, not a mixture of Castilian and Hebrew.

Again, Arbereshe come from Arvanite and they speak and identify as Albanian. They were mistakenly labelled as greek because of their religion ( and maybe some of them spoke greek too), but with time it was clarified they were indeed Albanian, hence why Mussolini changed the name from Piana dei Grecci to Piana dei Albanesi. Don't let the greek propaganda convince you as otherwise. How you identify personally, or how some arvanites identify now it's another matter. That doesn't change the fact they were Albanians who were greekified.
Fun fact: Jennifer Aniston's great grandfather had the last name Greko, from the Arbereshe of Italy. When he came to America more than a century ago he declared himself Albanian on Ellis Island.

I understand this is a touchy issue for you personally but I will stop arguing with you here as it's a waste of time at this point.

[Epirus DNA]

Again, Arbereshe come from Arvanite and they speak and identify as Albanian. They were mistakenly labelled as greek because of their religion ( and maybe some of them spoke greek too), but with time it was clarified they were indeed Albanian, hence why Mussolini changed the name from Piana dei Grecci to Piana dei Albanesi. Don't let the greek propaganda convince you as otherwise. How you identify personally, or how some arvanites identify now it's another matter. That doesn't change the fact they were Albanians who were greekified.
Fun fact: Jennifer Aniston's great grandfather had the last name Greko, from the Arbereshe of Italy. When he came to America more than a century ago he declared himself Albanian on Ellis Island.

I understand this is a touchy issue for you personally but I will stop arguing with you here as it's a waste of time at this point.

You're talking about the Arbereshe in Italy and I am talking about Arvanites in Greece. We are talking about two separate subjects and you're trying to square a circle. Don't let the post-communist Albanian propaganda convince you everyone is Albanian.

[Epirus DNA]

Arvanites... Greek.
Self-Hating Albanians... Greekified.

Greek Minority in Albania... still fighting for Freedom and Autonomy

[kefalonitis]

When the Arvanites came to Greece they where Roman(Byzantine) citizens and loyal to Constantinople.
Roman identity pre-existed the albanian and the attempts to pass them as ''albanians'' is pseudo-history
and historical revisionism.
Today,the only population outside Greece related to them is the Greek minority of Northern Epirus(they are actually the same people).
They originated from Despotate of Epirus(former theme of Dyrrhachium) and settled to Greece during the 14th century after being invited
by emperor Andronikos III Palaiologos and the despotes of Morea Manuel Kantakouzenos and Theodore I Palaiologos.Anyone can understand that those Byzantine rulers where not fools to establish communities of completely foreign people within the Greek populations.
It is a fact that the Greeks never opposed to the presence of arvanite people or viewed them as foreigners and the Arvanites never forced to adopt greek culture because when they arrived in Greek territories they were already part of the hellenic world.

[Epirus DNA]

When the Arvanites came to Greece they where Roman(Byzantine) citizens and loyal to Constantinople.
Roman identity pre-existed the albanian and the attempts to pass them as ''albanians'' is pseudo-history
and historical revisionism.
Today,the only population outside Greece related to them is the Greek minority of Northern Epirus(they are actually the same people).
They originated from Despotate of Epirus(former theme of Dyrrhachium) and settled to Greece during the 14th century after being invited
by emperor Andronikos III Palaiologos and the despotes of Morea Manuel Kantakouzenos and Theodore I Palaiologos.Anyone can understand that those Byzantine rulers where not fools to establish communities of completely foreign people within the Greek populations.
It is a fact that the Greeks never opposed to the presence of arvanite people or viewed them as foreigners and the Arvanites never forced to adopt greek culture because when they arrived in Greek territories they were already part of the hellenic world.

This is good stuff and almost all correct. The Greek Minority in Albania are not all part of this group-- although some are. Depending on the village, a large group of the them are Mollosai. There are villages where the women and children still do no speak Albanian. They never have, only Greek.

[Epirus DNA]

[Xz2k9]

Arvanite language is ancient Greek ?

[Xz2k9]

You're talking about the Arbereshe in Italy and I am talking about Arvanites in Greece. We are talking about two separate subjects and you're trying to square a circle. Don't let the post-communist Albanian propaganda convince you everyone is Albanian.

Arvanite was a medieval word used to refer to Albanians. All Albanians at one point were referred to as Arvanite by the Greeks. Albanians called themselves Arbereshe. And later Shqiptar.

Turks called Arnavut … these three words, Arvanite, Arnavut, Arbereshe, all have the same meaning and origin which means ALBANIAN.... and South Slavs called us Arbanas.

There was a branch of Southern Albanian Orthodox that migrated to Greece and contributed to the war of independence there (Souliotes for example) and another branch that migrated to Italy and are known as Arbereshe.


You're living in denial and claiming them as Albanian speaking Greeks is funny. Why would Greeks refer to them by an Albanian name ?

Most of the so called ''Greeks'' in Albania are Vlachs .


You're just butthurt that some Tosk Orthodox liberated your country clearly and not Greeks themselves.

It's a pity they helped you indeed instead of contributing to their own country. So to me they are a lost cause but it still feels good to rub it under your skin

[Epirus DNA]

Arvanite language is ancient Greek ?

In your wildest far-right Albanian dreams! haha

Arvanitika is an "Albanian" language that shares many features with the Tosk dialect spoken in Southern Albania... but it has received a great deal of influence from Greek, mostly related to the vocabulary and the phonological system. Arvanitika was the "Lingua Franca" in Epirus during the Ottoman Empire-- spoken by Greeks, Slavs, Albanians. There are so many stories of Greek Kelphts pretending to be Albanian in order to survive the Turks and Albanian Brigands. The women never left the village and only spoke Greek. All the men in Eprius spoke some for of Arvanitika between 1775 - 1914

[Epirus DNA]

Arvanite was a medieval word used to refer to Albanians. All Albanians at one point were referred to as Arvanite by the Greeks. Albanians called themselves Arbereshe. And later Shqiptar.

Turks called Arnavut … these three words, Arvanite, Arnavut, Arbereshe, all have the same meaning and origin which means ALBANIAN.... and South Slavs called us Arbanas.

There was a branch of Southern Albanian Orthodox that migrated to Greece and contributed to the war of independence there (Souliotes for example) and another branch that migrated to Italy and are known as Arbereshe.

You're living in denial and claiming them as Albanian speaking Greeks is funny. Why would Greeks refer to them by an Albanian name ?

Most of the so called ''Greeks'' in Albania are Vlachs .

You're just butthurt that some Tosk Orthodox liberated your country clearly and not Greeks themselves.

It's a pity they helped you indeed instead of contributing to their own country. So to me they are a lost cause but it still feels good to rub it under your skin

The Souliotes were NOT a tribe of Ethnic Albanians The Souliotes were an Ottoman Confederacy that grew to 12,000 people ranging 60 villages. The following 7 Families started the Tetra-Hori. They were NOT Albanians either. I know you get your history from YouTube and crazy Albanian propaganda.... here are "7 Family Founders" of Suli

#1) The family of the Zervatis from Arta
#2) The family of the Botsaritis from Dragani, four hours from Paramithia
#3) The family of the Dractis from Martani, in the province of Lamari
#4) The family of the Buzbatis from Valachi
#5) The family of Dancliatis from Fanari
#6) The family of the Zabellatis from an unknown village
#7) The family of the Pasatis from an unknown village