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    Quote Originally Posted by Turxanthus View Post
    Make Bulgaria Great again

    Yes, it's a god idea to strike Czarigrad again.

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    I can only say about myself that my ancestors were eastern Iranian tribes which assimilated with the Turkic and then with Slavs.Also my ancestors are Zaporizhzhya Cossacks that come from the Bulgars nomads in Black sea steppe
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAGANE View Post
    Bulgarians are not Slavs, or the smallest component of their genetics is Slavic. Like any modern nation, Bulgarians are the product of a mix of different ethnicities and the Bulgarian identity has not changed for more than 1500 years. They were always called Bulgarians, and their country was always called Bulgaria no matter what geographic region it was. At least Roma or Byzantines / Pωμαίοι Muslims, nowadays called Turks, can speak of identity
    You would be surprised. Roma/Byzantine Muslims do not have up to 16% Asian genes. Asia Minor Romeoi are kind of Armenian and Isaurian people in terms of genetics who were brainwashed by Greek Orthodox clerical class.

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    Nobody knows what the old Bulgarians were. When DNA results from old Pro-Bulgarian samples come out and compare with other ancient Turkic and modern Turkic ones, then we can talk. To date, people involved in science-history relate more to the ancient peoples of the Caucasus. Speaking speculatively, it is more likely that the old Bulgarians were Indo-Iranian / Scythian or Sarmatian / or mixed with Turks.
    Church sources in old Slavonic pretend that Kubrat was 12th generation grandson of Attila. And the Huns were not Sarmatian since we know that Attila and his Huns fought and pushed Sarmatians (Alans) towards Caucasus. Besides Indo-Iranian, Sarmatian peoples of the steppe never had title like Khan nor they were Tengrianist. In addition, contemporary sources of the 7th century refer to Kubrat and his people sometimes as Huns, sometimes as Bulgars, later they are referred to as Bulgars only. Pretty much like Khazars, in 7th century they are referred to as Huns and Turks, later they are called Turks and Khazars and in 10th century they were called just Khazars. And your allegation that we do not know what language they spoke is not true. Since a branch of the Bulgars went north under Kotrag and their language survives to this day with the Chuvash people. And that is not Iranian language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turxanthus View Post
    You would be surprised. Roma/Byzantine Muslims do not have up to 16% Asian genes. Asia Minor Romeoi are kind of Armenian and Isaurian people in terms of genetics who were brainwashed by Greek Orthodox clerical class.



    Church sources in old Slavonic pretend that Kubrat was 12th generation grandson of Attila. And the Huns were not Sarmatian since we know that Attila and his Huns fought and pushed Sarmatians (Alans) towards Caucasus. Besides Indo-Iranian, Sarmatian peoples of the steppe never had title like Khan nor they were Tengrianist. In addition, contemporary sources of the 7th century refer to Kubrat and his people sometimes as Huns, sometimes as Bulgars, later they are referred to as Bulgars only. Pretty much like Khazars, in 7th century they are referred to as Huns and Turks, later they are called Turks and Khazars and in 10th century they were called just Khazars. And your allegation that we do not know what language they spoke is not true. Since a branch of the Bulgars went north under Kotrag and their language survives to this day with the Chuvash people. And that is not Iranian language.
    What does Asparukh mean in Turkic languages?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turxanthus View Post
    You would be surprised. Roma/Byzantine Muslims do not have up to 16% Asian genes. Asia Minor Romeoi are kind of Armenian and Isaurian people in terms of genetics who were brainwashed by Greek Orthodox clerical class.



    Church sources in old Slavonic pretend that Kubrat was 12th generation grandson of Attila. And the Huns were not Sarmatian since we know that Attila and his Huns fought and pushed Sarmatians (Alans) towards Caucasus. Besides Indo-Iranian, Sarmatian peoples of the steppe never had title like Khan nor they were Tengrianist. In addition, contemporary sources of the 7th century refer to Kubrat and his people sometimes as Huns, sometimes as Bulgars, later they are referred to as Bulgars only. Pretty much like Khazars, in 7th century they are referred to as Huns and Turks, later they are called Turks and Khazars and in 10th century they were called just Khazars. And your allegation that we do not know what language they spoke is not true. Since a branch of the Bulgars went north under Kotrag and their language survives to this day with the Chuvash people. And that is not Iranian language.
    There are no church sources anywhere to connect Kubrat with Attila. If you talk about the Nominalia of the Bulgarian khans, that is where the beginning begins with Avitohol / some speculate that this may be Attila / but there is no evidence that it is him. History is a science that is based on documents - written, archeological. There is a document there is a history, there is no document, there is no history or we go in to speculation. Regarding the title Khan in Bulgarians - we do not have such documented. For Kubrat, there is a documented patrician title that was given exclusively if the ruler was a Christian. There is no information about Asparuh. For Tervel the grandson of Kubrat we have a documented title of kesar and images where Tervel is depicted with Christian symbols. An ancient inscription is engraved on a medallion belonging to Tervel, probably discovered in 1972, which reads: "Our Lady, keep Caesar Tervel." This title is given exclusively to a ruler Christian and in kinship with the Byzantine emperor. Omurtag has a documented Kanasubigi title from the Tarnovo inscription ... Even if a man lives well, he dies and another one comes into existence. Let the one who comes later after seeing this inscription remember the one who had it made. And the name is Omurtag, Kanasubigi. These are the reigning titles that are known and that had the Bulgarian rulers in the pre-Christian period. The Chuvash language may have been the language of the ancient Bulgarians, but it may not be. We do not know how real the connection between the Chuvash and ancient Bulgarians. I personally have no problem with the language spoken by the Turkic or Iranian language group. The language can change for two generations - 50 years, considering that they were vassals on the Avar kaganate to Kubrat, which separates from them. For example, all the peoples of the Ottoman Empire spoke the language of the Ottomans more or less, and to this day a large percentage of modern Bulgarian borrows from the Ottomans. We did not become Turkish from this. Turks do not speak the language of their grandparents today after the Ataturk reform

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crn Volk View Post
    What does Asparukh mean in Turkic languages?
    good question

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    Bulgar it is Hunnic descendants.
    А сегодня в завтрашний день не все могут смотреть. Вернее, смотреть могут не только лишь все. Мало, кто может это делать.

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    Hungarians, Bulgarians and Turks share same ancestry ( Attila, Huns, Tartars, Mongol, Middleast ect ect ).. Bulgarians also got "great" influence from slavic people, Turkish also got "great" influence from middleeast people ( Syria Iraq Lebanon Caucasus )... Hungarians also got "great" influence from mongol and Gypsies..... even the language is "mongol"...



    Read the comments of this "youtube".. Turkish classicl music


    Greetings from Hungary... Mongolia.. Pakistans...




    Also from Italy... Who "like" turkish music in Italy ??!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by renaissance12 View Post
    Hungarians, Bulgarians and Turks share same ancestry ( Attila, Huns, Tartars, Mongol, Middleast ect ect ).. Bulgarians also got "great" influence from slavic people, Turkish also got "great" influence from middleeast people ( Syria Iraq Lebanon Caucasus )... Hungarians also got "great" influence from mongol and Gypsies..... even the language is "mongol"...
    put yourself on charger mario, you got great influence from something incelish i can't describe properly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benyzero View Post
    put yourself on charger mario, you got great influence from something incelish i can't describe properly
    Shut up.. son of Gengis kahn and grandson of Attila and Mustafa IV ...

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