Do you think the Caucasus is white?

[Kivan]

Armenians and Turks are the same to my eyes, everyone considers your people swarthy and rude. Ask someone in Germany, he or she will give you answer how Turks are there.

I don't mind about your opinion about us. You can stick it on your black hole.

You are enemy in Europe. Your culture and language are alien to Europe.

Thankfully we are not into your culture.

Light phenotypes? Okay. You kidnapped white European women and made a lot of harems. This is result of light elements in Turks.

Nah, i'm too swarthy and ugly to equally your white beauty standard.

[Evrim]

Turks would be ching chongs without Caucasian admixture, be grateful.

I'm not butthurt about who I'm. I think Turks mixing with Iranic or Hellenic people created beautiful people averagely. But, I find mixing with Armenoids always smth off. I have been open about it since the beginning. I would prefer being a 100% Mongol over being a pure armenoid:

If I had been a Asian Turk occupying these lands, I would never mix with an armenoid tbh. This is my personal opinion and taste.

[Rumata]

Why not?

Many Russians see North Caucasus as their home. It would be embarrassing for them to be regarded guest there.

[happycow]

I made a better calculator to determine if Caucasians are white.

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Yamnaya_Samara,0.1253679,0.0876256,0.0436383,0.1162349,-0.0298077,0.046535,0.00376,-0.0017474,-0.0563026,-0.0735973,0.0008583,-0.0003426,-0.0011894,-0.0259714,0.0358883,0.0160054,-0.0003164,-0.0007059,-0.0039326,0.0144353,-0.0022994,-0.0008301,0.0106523,0.017851,-0.0031649
CWC_Baltic_early,0.1282407,0.0927517,0.0532997,0.113912,-0.0097453,0.0495493,0.004935,0.005923,-0.0384503,-0.0592267,-0.0081733,0.0007493,0.0020813,-0.0161937,0.0326183,0.0147173,-0.0001303,-0.0016047,-0.0010053,0.0072117,-0.0081523,0.0009067,0.0088327,0.0211273,-0.0004393
EHG,0.120368,0.0380822,0.1277498,0.2026028,-0.0100015,0.057591,-0.0198585,-0.0253832,-0.0079765,-0.082553,0.016726,-0.0145368,0.028171,-0.0454843,0.0238867,0.0208495,-0.0080512,0.0006335,-0.0063475,0.016414,-0.005771,0.019568,0.008165,-0.020093,-0.0073345
CHG:KK1,0.087644,0.106631,-0.086361,-0.002261,-0.08617,0.0251,0.028436,0.003923,-0.129464,-0.077086,-0.005359,0.023979,-0.056788,0.012386,0.030401,-0.032617,0.025034,-0.012289,-0.021117,0.033641,0.030821,-0.009398,0.009613,-0.022654,-0.001078
EEF:LBK_N,0.1244465,0.1825243,0.0149843,-0.0876837,0.0630887,-0.0427261,-0.0033683,-0.0035999,0.0430454,0.0868659,0.0075023,0.0141373,-0.0222794,0.0010551,-0.0395941,-0.0078582,0.0189753,0.0037078,0.0142206,-0.0093712,-0.0114715,0.0081034,-0.008808,-0.0056633,-0.0045027
WHG,0.1246365,0.116278,0.184789,0.189279,0.1546445,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675,0.0890705,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045
Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0.0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561,0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
Nganassan,0.049399,-0.4060088,0.1542424,0.0018088,-0.158922,-0.0857308,0.027966,0.0430136,0.0303104,0.0124286,0.103409,0.0095314,-0.0031518,-0.0271116,-0.0220952,-0.013842,-0.0009908,0.0137332,0.0242598,-0.0014758,0.0435482,-0.0127362,0.0345584,0.0023618,0.0132682
Levant_N,0.0700015,0.170609,-0.0267755,-0.1493885,0.0315445,-0.070141,-0.0151585,-0.0148835,0.0751625,0.043281,0.008444,-0.013188,0.030996,-0.004266,-0.019883,0.007889,0.010105,-0.0081715,-0.009113,0.018071,-0.0052405,0.0072955,0.0015405,-0.0010845,-0.004431
Iran_N,0.0440117,0.0680407,-0.1537397,0.0023687,-0.1218687,0.0190573,0.017391,-0.0033073,-0.0830367,-0.0554,-0.000325,-0.0047957,0.0061447,-0.009496,0.029587,0.0588257,-0.008084,0.0098817,0.0111033,-0.036226,0.0094003,-0.02708,-0.0116263,-0.037917,0.025746
Narva_Lithuania,0.1320347,0.1106928,0.1803263,0.1842187,0.1199712,0.0524315,0.0108103,0.0286143,0.0592778,-0.019074,-0.0055213,-0.0195077,0.0273783,0.0045643,0.0325728,0.0470032,0.0035857,0.0052997,-0.0064943,0.0436457,0.0663412,0.0077283,-0.0292508,-0.1139918,0.0110567

[1] "distance%=3.2964"

Armenian

EEF,27.2
CHG,25.4
Levant_N,23.2
Iran_N,20.6
Yamnaya_Samara,3.6

Compare with the Greeks who are real Europeans:

[1] "distance%=2.1218"

Greek

EEF,47
CWC_Baltic_early,32.8
Levant_N,9.6
CHG,7
Iran_N,3.2
Narva_Lithuania,0.4

Now northern, central and eastern Europeans:

[1] "distance%=3.5687"

Norwegian

CWC_Baltic_early,54.4
EEF,33.4
Narva_Lithuania,12.2

[1] "distance%=2.9391"

Hungarian

CWC_Baltic_early,50.4
EEF,37.6
Narva_Lithuania,9.6
Levant_N,2.2
Nganassan,0.2

[1] "distance%=5.2451"

Russian_Orel
CWC_Baltic_early,55.6
EEF,28.6
Narva_Lithuania,15
Nganassan,0.8

[1] "distance%=4.0665"

Saami

CWC_Baltic_early,31
Nganassan,23.8
EHG,17.6
Narva_Lithuania,14.6
EEF,10.6
Levant_N,2.4

[1] "distance%=2.9891"

Spanish_Andalucia

EEF,51.4
CWC_Baltic_early,33.2
WHG,6.6
Levant_N,5.8
Yoruba,1.6
CHG,1.4

We see that Norwegians, Hungarians, Russians, Greeks, Spaniards - all have the same European components (Steppe + Hunters + farmers) that make them white people. Armenians do not have this set of components. Armenians also have a critically low steppe component - only 3%. This suggests that the Armenians have nothing to do with Europe and the Greeks are not brothers to them either. But the Spaniards are brothers, even Finns. That is, the European cluster is very compact, filled with the same components, the difference is only in percent. There are more European farmers in the south, more steppes in the north.
Now the North Caucasus:

[1] "distance%=2.8285"

Chechen

CHG,37.6
Yamnaya_Samara,24.8
EEF,15
Levant_N,13.2
Iran_N,4.8
CWC_Baltic_early,2.4
Nganassan,2.2

27% of the steppe. The North Caucasians have a very high steppe component. But other components do not coincide with Europe. Therefore, the North Caucasians can only partially be called white. But they are definitely closer to Europe than the Armenians and Transcaucasians.

Interesting. So you do not consider EEF as a European component?

[silentkiller]

Many Russians see North Caucasus as their home. It would be embarrassing for them to be regarded guest there.

Aren't we already regarded guests there?

[Rumata]

Aren't we already regarded guests there?

I think we are by a sizable part of the population. Hard to say more precisely.

[Sche]

Interesting. So you do not consider EEF as a European component?

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Yamnaya_Samara_Steppe,0.1253679,0.0876256,0.0436383,0.1162349,-0.0298077,0.046535,0.00376,-0.0017474,-0.0563026,-0.0735973,0.0008583,-0.0003426,-0.0011894,-0.0259714,0.0358883,0.0160054,-0.0003164,-0.0007059,-0.0039326,0.0144353,-0.0022994,-0.0008301,0.0106523,0.017851,-0.0031649
Corded_Ware_Steppe,0.1282407,0.0927517,0.0532997,0.113912,-0.0097453,0.0495493,0.004935,0.005923,-0.0384503,-0.0592267,-0.0081733,0.0007493,0.0020813,-0.0161937,0.0326183,0.0147173,-0.0001303,-0.0016047,-0.0010053,0.0072117,-0.0081523,0.0009067,0.0088327,0.0211273,-0.0004393
EHG,0.120368,0.0380822,0.1277498,0.2026028,-0.0100015,0.057591,-0.0198585,-0.0253832,-0.0079765,-0.082553,0.016726,-0.0145368,0.028171,-0.0454843,0.0238867,0.0208495,-0.0080512,0.0006335,-0.0063475,0.016414,-0.005771,0.019568,0.008165,-0.020093,-0.0073345
CHG:KK1,0.087644,0.106631,-0.086361,-0.002261,-0.08617,0.0251,0.028436,0.003923,-0.129464,-0.077086,-0.005359,0.023979,-0.056788,0.012386,0.030401,-0.032617,0.025034,-0.012289,-0.021117,0.033641,0.030821,-0.009398,0.009613,-0.022654,-0.001078
ENF_European_Farmer_West:Globular_Amphora,0.1255847,0.1692548,0.0607165,-0.0191108,0.0848875,-0.0190575,-0.0003917,0.0050765,0.052767,0.073684,-0.0004872,0.0088922,-0.019524,-0.0079133,-0.0083465,0.0020772,0.007671,0.0052998,0.0051118,-0.0015423,0.0085888,0.0058942,-0.0135573,-0.0217302,0.0007383
ENF_West_Asian_Farmer:Barcin_N,0.1179775,0.1810181,0.0027154,-0.1010186,0.0519481,-0.0472581,-0.0044298,-0.007569,0.0367837,0.0809766,0.0085416,0.0121616,-0.0229382,0.0007706,-0.0411978,-0.0090956,0.0231562,0.000741,0.012155,-0.0091981,-0.0131144,0.006127,-0.0038824,-0.0033258,-0.0051372
WHG,0.1246365,0.116278,0.184789,0.189279,0.1546445,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675,0.0890705,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045
Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0.0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561,0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
Nganassan,0.049399,-0.4060088,0.1542424,0.0018088,-0.158922,-0.0857308,0.027966,0.0430136,0.0303104,0.0124286,0.103409,0.0095314,-0.0031518,-0.0271116,-0.0220952,-0.013842,-0.0009908,0.0137332,0.0242598,-0.0014758,0.0435482,-0.0127362,0.0345584,0.0023618,0.0132682
Levant_N,0.0700015,0.170609,-0.0267755,-0.1493885,0.0315445,-0.070141,-0.0151585,-0.0148835,0.0751625,0.043281,0.008444,-0.013188,0.030996,-0.004266,-0.019883,0.007889,0.010105,-0.0081715,-0.009113,0.018071,-0.0052405,0.0072955,0.0015405,-0.0010845,-0.004431
Iran_N,0.0440117,0.0680407,-0.1537397,0.0023687,-0.1218687,0.0190573,0.017391,-0.0033073,-0.0830367,-0.0554,-0.000325,-0.0047957,0.0061447,-0.009496,0.029587,0.0588257,-0.008084,0.0098817,0.0111033,-0.036226,0.0094003,-0.02708,-0.0116263,-0.037917,0.025746
ENF_European_Farmer_East:Baden_LCA,0.1279089,0.1755596,0.0330451,-0.0618545,0.07059,-0.03141,-0.0024382,-0.0002596,0.045941,0.0781336,0.0036945,0.0131135,-0.0220946,0.0015139,-0.0289422,-0.0072594,0.0129731,0.003658,0.0135598,-0.0084729,-0.0046012,0.0063836,-0.0042364,-0.0178186,0.0006136

EEF(ENF) is different. He is Asian among Armenians, he is European among Europeans. For example:

[1] "distance%=3.3375"
Armenian
ENF_West_Asian_Farmer,31
CHG,24
Iran_N,20.8
Levant_N,19.6
Yamnaya_Samara_Steppe,4.6

[1] "distance%=4.9223"
Polish
Corded_Ware_Steppe,55.8
ENF_European_Farmer_East,35.2
WHG,8
EHG,1

distance%=2.0761"
German
Corded_Ware_Steppe,50.6
ENF_European_Farmer_West,36.2
ENF_European_Farmer_East,13.2

[black hole]

I don't mind about your opinion about us. You can stick it on your black hole.



Thankfully we are not into your culture.

You are now being a butthurt, a typical Turkish behavior. "Black hole" is actually a scientific term in astronomy, for Turks is an impossible thing to understand.

Nah, i'm too swarthy and ugly to equally your white beauty standard.

This guy is not even a Russian, he is Finnish. But, even if he is a Finnish, this guy is way smarter and lighter than an average Turk.

[renaissance12]

there are practically no Mongoloids in the Caucasus, only the Near Asians

Don't forget baltic area... very mongoloid...

[16coresCasual]

They're white in my opinion. I mean they're closer to europeans than africans etc.