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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigranes View Post
    Are Tatars more European than Greeks/Southern Europeans as well, since they have more Northern European/Mongoloid admixture?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    Caucasians are not part of the European cluster, neither north nor south Caucasus. They are their own thing.
    Honestly, if I had to choose I'd place them in Europe (I mean Circassians, Abkhazians, Chechens, etc), even if they don't cluster close with Europeans. Geographically, the region above Georgia is still part of Europe. We shouldn't conflate geography with ethnic cluster too much. By that logic, we can say all Asiatic peoples (I.e Assyrians, Indians, Kazakhs, Indonesians) and Africans (i.e. Morrocans, Namibians and Chadic) are closely related because they're from the same continent, when they're not.

    I'd personally say that North Caucasians are a peripheral or isolate European subgroup. I'd argue that Georgians fit the bill as well, although geographically Georgia is just below the boundary of Europe.

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    North Caucasus can be considered as Europe geographically genetically, they form a parallel branch that goes toward North, so it's possible that some Chechens turn out closer to some europeans than to Levantines or whatever.

    Not proper european but certainly more than all the other non-european populations.

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    Some would even argue that Sicily, Malta and Cyprus are not "proper European" as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigranes View Post
    Are Tatars more European than Greeks/Southern Europeans as well, since they have more Northern European/Mongoloid admixture?
    Greeks are the reference southern Europeans. Tatars are Eurasian mestizos. Armenians are not Europeans at all, not even mestizos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelati View Post
    Honestly, if I had to choose I'd place them in Europe (I mean Circassians, Abkhazians, Chechens, etc), even if they don't cluster close with Europeans. Geographically, the region above Georgia is still part of Europe. We shouldn't conflate geography with ethnic cluster too much. By that logic, we can say all Asiatic peoples (I.e Assyrians, Indians, Kazakhs, Indonesians) and Africans (i.e. Morrocans, Namibians and Chadic) are closely related because they're from the same continent, when they're not.

    I'd personally say that North Caucasians are a peripheral or isolate European subgroup. I'd argue that Georgians fit the bill as well, although geographically Georgia is just below the boundary of Europe.


    Some would even argue that Sicily, Malta and Cyprus are not "proper European" as well.
    For Sicily it really depends. The genetic diversity of Sicily is so huge that there are sicilians plotting in Tuscany or Central Italy, and others that are on par with cypriot.

    I have seen a 42% MENA result coming from Sicily, Messina more precisely.

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    One thing i can say from my personal experience is that people in Naples looked more dark and stereotypical ME than Georgians for sure. Cyprus also way much darker than Georgians. I have not been in other places in south Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by user_ View Post
    One thing i can say from my personal experience is that people in Naples looked more dark and stereotypical ME than Georgians for sure. Cyprus also way much darker than Georgians. I have not been in other places in south Europe.
    Naples tend to have the same level of MENA that Sicily. Strange but there are strong boundaries in S.Italy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holdar View Post
    Do you think the Caucasus is white? I live in the Caucasus and often hear how Caucasians are called black (mostly Russians call the Caucasus black). And so I have a question for you, what do you think about this?
    They are actually brown. People there are hairy orcs with hook noses lel. The slope of the forehead, huge ears, downturned big noses, wide upper lips, their full on dwarf beards and unibrows don't help at all.



    When the Russians took over Caucasus, it was like the Visigoths and Suebi taking over Iberia, the difference between them is day and night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sean View Post

    When the Russians took over Caucasus, it was like the Visigoths and Suebi taking over Iberia, the difference between them is day and night.
    Making another funny parallelism it was like Saxons and Vikings taking over Britain, the difference between them is day and night.

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    Caucasus is as white as Afghanistan. Occasionally there are people with light features, but most are rather dark

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    Quote Originally Posted by sean View Post
    They are actually brown. People there are hairy orcs with hook noses lel. The slope of the forehead, huge ears, downturned big noses, wide upper lips, their full on dwarf beards and unibrows don't help at all.



    When the Russians took over Caucasus, it was like the Visigoths and Suebi taking over Iberia, the difference between them is day and night.

    Seems like uncivilized northern barbarians invaded and butchered innocent native Caucasians.

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