Do you think the Caucasus is white?

[Holdar]

First of all, there isn't THE definition of 'white', it's used in very different ways by different people, so all we have to work with here is just some extremely vague colloquial notion. As you see, you can get all kinds of views on this and it's not like there's one correct answer, because it isn't even clear at all what 'white' actually is. What I understand under the term is 'of European ancestry', but for some, it is more tied with looks, some consider the whole oldschool Caucasian category, which includes certain Indians aswell to be white, etc. This thread is full of confusion because of this, so at best, you get just opinions and nothing else.

I agree, but in this context most likely they mean by the term “white” whether the man in general looks like a white person (morphologically) and culturally

[Tigranes]

do you consider me not white? I am a person with European values ​​and concepts, and, apparently, I am not Asian or Arab, you can see the photo here -> https://vladimir-bogdano2.imgbb.com/ . So why did you call me not white, I do not belong to Asians and Arabs, I am not very different from Europeans in general

Why do you care so much about whether if he or anyone else here considers you as "White" or not? This place is full of pseudoscience and self-proclaimed experts who think they know better than the specialists in the field of Anthropology, anywhere in the world you would be considered as "White", period.

[Holdar]

Why do you care so much about whether if he or anyone else here considers you as "White" or not? This place is full of pseudoscience and self-proclaimed experts who think they know better than the specialists in the field of Anthropology, anywhere in the world you would be considered as "White", period.

it does not offend me, I just want to know different points of view)))

[Rumata]

there are practically no Mongoloids in the Caucasus, only the Near Asians

Except the Nogais.

[Aldaris]

I agree, but in this context most likely they mean by the term “white” whether the man in general looks like a white person (morphologically) and culturally

Yeah, but again, different people have extremely different standards for both of those things, so we have the same problem as before. Can't generalize like that. Anyway, if we're speaking about individual level, things are gonna get pretty inconsistent pretty fast with that - there are Arabs who looks perfectly European, aswell as Europeans who look more Arab or Mongoloid than your standard European. Also, then there's the issue with variety within a single family. Look at Toppo, he would easily pass for an European, but his family wouldn't. The possibility that different people with the same ancestry can be labeled as either white or non-white is ridiculous. On a level of whole nations, if white means something like 'large enough majority of them would pass for some European' - then yeah, Caucasians are probably an example of non-European whites. I like how this is getting more clear if we actually define our terms first. But when we mix the cultural aspect in, things may get messy again - the culture of Caucasian nations is quite close to Eastern European, but whether enough to be considered 'white' is again going to vary a lot, depending on whom you'll ask.

[Holdar]

Yeah, but again, different people have extremely different standards for both of those things, so we have the same problem as before. Can't generalize like that. Anyway, if we're speaking about individual level, things are gonna get pretty inconsistent pretty fast with that - there are Arabs who looks perfectly European, aswell as Europeans who look more Arab or Mongoloid than your standard European. Also, then there's the issue with variety within a single family. Look at Toppo, he would easily pass for an European, but his family wouldn't. The possibility that different people with the same ancestry can be labeled as either white or non-white is ridiculous. On a level of whole nations, if white means something like 'large enough majority of them would pass for some European' - then yeah, Caucasians are probably an example of non-European whites. I like how this is getting more clear if we actually define our terms first. But when we mix the cultural aspect in, things may get messy again - the culture of Caucasian nations is quite close to Eastern European, but whether enough to be considered 'white' is again going to vary a lot, depending on whom you'll ask.

there is logic in your words. And yes, it’s not so simple, the world is a complicated thing))

[Rumata]

Russians call Caucasians not black, but "black-asseds"

They call them both. But the ruder form "black-assed" is used more rare (from my experience) and is an invitation to aggression.

[Jana]

Speaking only about looks there is quite a difference between Chechens for example, and Armenians.

[Holdar]

Speaking only about looks there is quite a difference between Chechens for example, and Armenians.

because they are racially different

[RenaRyuguu]

yes it's all wizards.