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    Hey guys,

    I grew up all around Latin America. Any way, when I was growing up there was ZERO feminism talk in the newspaper, in the television, in the movies, in schools..etc. The first time I heard about the whole "feminist" when I was a teenager and saw a bunch of videos from US political debate. Divorces were rare and also "beating up" women was stigmatize due to the Catholic influence. The whole LGBT stuff was very underground and people generally didn't talk about it.

    Any way, after about a couple of years ago I left. And nowadays each time I open a newspaper be it from Panama, Peru, Colombia or Brazil the news are always talking about femicides, about violence against women. There seems to be a constant barrage to drill the point that women get killed everyday. There's a deliberate attempt to highlight women's accomplishment as well over men's. The big newspapers try to normalize it and say that, "this are our values."

    However, last time I checked this are supposed to be Catholic countries and nowhere there does it say the following:That gender is a social construct, that men and women need to have an adversarial relation, that divorce is ok, that living a prommiscous lifestyle should be accepted, that a lot of music like reggeton should be the standard, that the LGBT lifestyle should be celebrated...etc.

    Having lived before any of this stuff became popular this seem like a "subversion of values." I don't have a strong stance issue. But what's scary is how the values has been inverted and now to say the opposite is to become a misogynist, homophobe, bigot...among others insults.

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    Feminism and gender ideology are on the raise and one of the most popular topics in the western culture (led by USA and Europe), and latin America, as arguibly part of the west won't escape that.

    With that said, not all countries in Latin America are the same. Uruguay for example, was one of the first countries in the world to legalize gay marriage, they currently teach gender ideology in schools, transexuals are allowed to change their name and goverment will pay for their sex change surgery, pregnancy interruptions are legal, etc. Something to notice: Almost half the population of Uruguay are agnostic or atheists, and the church has been separated from the goverment and schools for more than 100 years. This is not surprising though because a culture without a religious brainwash is expected to evolve quicker.

    Now, many of the other Latin America acountries are extremely religious and logically far from getting any of the things listed above running. Yet they won't escape the influence of the western culture so its society (the people) will still discuss about all that and fight to get such rights. It's like saying "they get it, why not me?" It's a matter of the times. You get all the feminist, abortion laws and LGTB rights on TV, international news, etc, so people want that too, that's the reason these topics are currently strong in Latin America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annie999 View Post
    This is not surprising though because a culture without a religious brainwash is expected to evolve quicker.
    Atheism has all the attributes of religious brainwashing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kratz View Post
    Hey guys,

    I grew up all around Latin America. Any way, when I was growing up there was ZERO feminism talk in the newspaper, in the television, in the movies, in schools..etc. The first time I heard about the whole "feminist" when I was a teenager and saw a bunch of videos from US political debate. Divorces were rare and also "beating up" women was stigmatize due to the Catholic influence. The whole LGBT stuff was very underground and people generally didn't talk about it.

    Any way, after about a couple of years ago I left. And nowadays each time I open a newspaper be it from Panama, Peru, Colombia or Brazil the news are always talking about femicides, about violence against women. There seems to be a constant barrage to drill the point that women get killed everyday. There's a deliberate attempt to highlight women's accomplishment as well over men's. The big newspapers try to normalize it and say that, "this are our values."

    However, last time I checked this are supposed to be Catholic countries and nowhere there does it say the following:That gender is a social construct, that men and women need to have an adversarial relation, that divorce is ok, that living a prommiscous lifestyle should be accepted, that a lot of music like reggeton should be the standard, that the LGBT lifestyle should be celebrated...etc.

    Having lived before any of this stuff became popular this seem like a "subversion of values." I don't have a strong stance issue. But what's scary is how the values has been inverted and now to say the opposite is to become a misogynist, homophobe, bigot...among others insults.
    I will talk about Argentina.
    At least here, exactly those women who say that all men are oppressors, abusive and rapists, and say that the heterosexual relations are unnatural are not just "feminists" but just mentally alienated and misandries.
    I can't recognize those "people" as femminists while my whole life I fought in many senses against the abbuse towards women and now I AM PERCEIVED AS AN OPPRESSOR AND A RAPIST???
    NO! It's unfair in all senses.
    Do you imagine Simone de Bevoir, Marie Sklodowska Curie or Rita Levi Montalcini acting like them??
    Trying to burn or break private properly or public work or shitting on the ground just "to protest"???
    In my humble opinion that's not feminism in any sense...
    May be in other countries it's possible to find real feminists with other modus operandi, but here not...

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    Modern feminism in a certain extent came from 60's France with not only Simone de Beauvoir but also May 68. We often underestimate the influence of these protestations but actually May 68 has been an example to follow for all young progressists of this era.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ixulescu View Post
    Atheism has all the attributes of religious brainwashing.
    Most non-religious people are not even atheists but agnostic. There are many currents amongst the non-religious, it’s not a flat thing. And It can’t be a brainwash as there are no leaders. It’s a personal choice. In opposite to the religious world where people feel pressured to act and do as the leaders say be that the Pope, the government or whoever that uses religion to impart their agenda. No wonder the most ignorant and poor people in the world are super religious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annie999 View Post
    Most non-religious people are not even atheists but agnostic. There are many currents amongst the non-religious, it’s not a flat thing. And It can’t be a brainwash as there are no leaders. It’s a personal choice. In opposite to the religious world where people feel pressured to act and do as the leaders say be that the Pope, the government or whoever that uses religion to impart their agenda. No wonder the most ignorant and poor people in the world are super religious.
    Left wing atheism is a kind of brainwashing. As an atheist I can say that most left wing atheists around the world are outsiders of their society, they are kind of people who would stab their kinsman for being inclusive to foreigners and so called evolved world citizen. Sweden, Germany have these kind of people very much. This is how it works, a German, probably atheist feminist saying Allahu Akbar:

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    The western world tend to have the most obsession when it comes to identity politics and labels, and really, they tend to export such things to other parts of the world including the MENA world too. You can advocate for equal rights for all human beings regardless of sex, ethnicity, religion and so on without even labeling yourself to any identity political group. These neo-liberal groups are everything that they accuse the right in being; racist, sexist and so on. It's an Orwellian double standards, and really I'm so glad that I don't live in the western world for me to deal with such madness. Just because the western world has it's own norms and standards that doesn't mean the rest of us should find them normal too nor should be raise ourselves to fit their standards either. What's the norm can differ very greatly from one society to the next, and that particular society should not be pressured to accept the normality of the other society that claims itself to be civilized and so on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erronkari View Post
    I will talk about Argentina.
    At least here, exactly those women who say that all men are oppressors, abusive and rapists, and say that the heterosexual relations are unnatural are not just "feminists" but just mentally alienated and misandries.
    I can't recognize those "people" as femminists while my whole life I fought in many senses against the abbuse towards women and now I AM PERCEIVED AS AN OPPRESSOR AND A RAPIST???
    NO! It's unfair in all senses.
    Do you imagine Simone de Bevoir, Marie Sklodowska Curie or Rita Levi Montalcini acting like them??
    Trying to burn or break private properly or public work or shitting on the ground just "to protest"???
    In my humble opinion that's not feminism in any sense...
    May be in other countries it's possible to find real feminists with other modus operandi, but here not...
    where have you heard anybody say that heterosexual relationships are unnatural?

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