So, who was Mustafas' father?

[Petros Houhoulis]

[Turxanthus]

Who are Greeks' father?
Mustafa served his state whose ascendency, legitimacy, inheritance were clear and historic traceability was also ensured. Reading the stuff and the proponent, people would think the Greks really pay attention to blood lines or kind of nobility.
In Byzantium, everyone could become "emperor". Some Armenian governors making coup d'etat like Heraclius in 7th century, or street gangsters like Mortzouflos during Latin crusading siege all became emperors.
All the while among Turks like among real older Romans from Italy, the inheritance was father to son and only people from some distinct families could pretend.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Who are Greeks' father?

Officially, nobody, we are not some sort of canines to need an owner. Historically, most probably Hercules deserves that title, though nobody called him as such.

Mustafa served his state whose ascendency, legitimacy, inheritance were clear and historic traceability was also ensured.

...Until the Ottomanists brought the Arabs in!!!

Reading the stuff and the proponent, people would think the Greeks really pay attention to blood lines or kind of nobility.

That's your obsession. We do not have an official "father" or a nobility for more than 500 years.

In Byzantium, everyone could become "emperor". Some Armenian governors making coup d'etat like Heraclius in 7th century, or street gangsters like Mortzouflos during Latin crusading siege all became emperors.

Why not? Even in democracy anybody can become president or Prime minister. Is there something wrong with that? Why didn't that faggot have a son to inherit Turkey after all???

All the while among Turks like among real older Romans from Italy, the inheritance was father to son and only people from some distinct families could pretend.

...And yet Rome had emperors from all sorts of different families, some of them not even Roman, some not even European (a.k.a. "Phillip the Arab") long before Heraklius or Mourtzouflos.


Anyway, Zubeide was actually a whore, and she was looking to find her sons' father and claim his inheritance, according to what she claimed, of course!!!

[Turxanthus]

If you think there is no problem with Mortzouflos or Heraclius, you shouldn't question other people's fathers.
Ottomans were degenerated as a result of laying down with Greeks, Persians and similar people. Yet even them, still retained some of the nobility which Greks completely lacked since the day they started. Actually all Ottoman rulers descended from single guy named Ertugrul (soldier of Turul, a holy bird in old Steppe shamanism).
Though he wasn't from a steppe Shamanic nobility, Ertugrul declared himself bey and that lasted until 20th century with full respect of blood rights. Something absent in Greeks but present among more noble people like Japanese, Anglo-Saxons and co.

[Petros Houhoulis]

If you think there is no problem with Mortzouflos or Heraclius, you shouldn't question other people's fathers.

Well, I've never heard of a Byzantine emperor whose mother was a whore. Most of them knew their fathers, you don't know your own grandpa!

Ottomans were degenerated as a result of laying down with Greeks, Persians and similar people.

It's quite a pity not even the Turkics want you back!

Yet even them, still retained some of the nobility which Greks completely lacked since the day they started.

Are you sure this is "nobility" and not stupidity? You are less than 20% Turkic and you pretend to have some relation to those steppe hordes!!!

Actually all Ottoman rulers descended from single guy named Ertugrul (soldier of Turul, a holy bird in old Steppe shamanism).

Except from those who were bastards without their father knowing.

Though he wasn't from a steppe Shamanic nobility, Ertugrul declared himself bey and that lasted until 20th century with full respect of blood rights. Something absent in Greeks but present among more noble people like Japanese, Anglo-Saxons and co.

As a matter of fact the Anglo-Saxons don't have a single family ruling them forever, they had different dynasties, and they do not rule nowadays. Only the Japanese can claim royal continuity, but who knows how many bastards were raised as emperors either?

[Voskos]

What does it say?

[Petros Houhoulis]

What does it say?

http://www.makeleio.gr/%CE%B5%CF%80%...E%B1-%CF%84-2/

[Haldis]

You are weak and inferior and thats a proof, saying inferior lies about Mustafa Kemal ATATURK. You need to lie because you can't find any negative behavior or feature of him. ATATURK's father was an Ottoman officer Ali Riza Efendi.

[Petros Houhoulis]

You are weak and inferior and thats a proof, saying inferior lies about Mustafa Kemal ATATURK. You need to lie because you can't find any negative behavior or feature of him. ATATURK's father was an Ottoman officer Ali Riza Efendi.

First of all, Ataturk screwed Turkey by expelling all Christians and turning it 100% Muslim, and then he had the nerve to suggest that religion was bad, except that he kept the worst religion of all.

Furthermore, Ataturk actually prohibited most travel outside of Turkey, something that held up until the Korean war.

Ataturk didn't bring democracy either, but imposed a single party rule, something like the former Communist states.

So, there's a lot of Ataturk failures down the line, but he definitely brought and almost kept peace in Turkey, we should give credit where credit is due.

P.S.

I am so weak and inferior, no canine can face me off, one on one, and when I have time, I can take upon all of them at once!

[Haldis]

First of all, Ataturk screwed Turkey by expelling all Christians and turning it 100% Muslim, and then he had the nerve to suggest that religion was bad, except that he kept the worst religion of all.

Furthermore, Ataturk actually prohibited most travel outside of Turkey, something that held up until the Korean war.

Ataturk didn't bring democracy either, but imposed a single party rule, something like the former Communist states.

So, there's a lot of Ataturk failures down the line, but he definitely brought and almost kept peace in Turkey, we should give credit where credit is due.

P.S.

I am so weak and inferior, no canine can face me off, one on one, and when I have time, I can take upon all of them at once!

That's why he was so succesful and became all world's leader. He wasn't ''incel'' democracy boy, he was a real soldier, marshal MAN. He couldn't try democracy in a post-war country. And he NEVER and NEVER fired Christians. Because he brought Secularism to Turkey. Opposite, he was hater of hard muslims, so bigots. He killed rebel bigot muslims -Seyh Said etc.-. You should more and OBJECTIVE research Republic History of Turkey and Ataturk's life or you shouldn't talk about this subjects.