Moldovans, who do they overlap phenotypically and cluster genetically with?

[TheForeigner]

Are moldovan romanians from eastern Romania and Republic of Moldova more like ukrainians and other eastern slavs and central euro slavs and hungarians in phenotype or in frequency of light eyes and hair or more like southern romanians and balkan slavs,albanians etc? Also does anyone know of genetic studies of regional romanian population and if moldovans are somewhat more northern shiftedor cluster with ukrainians? My impression from the many moldovans I've seen in my southern town and from what I heard and also the anthro stuff I read is that they differ very little. They have similar average skin tone with southern romanians, but less swarties and slightly more light hair and eyes, but still somewhat sallow/yellowish/medium light skinned, dark brown or black haired(as adults) in the large majority and mostly brown eyed. There is a naive and silly stereotype that they look much different and like ukrainians and mostly light eyed, in large part light haired and really pale. I don't much believe it.

[Vlach]

Moldavians from Romania national team:

[TheForeigner]

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[Vlach]

South romanians from Romania national football team:

[Vlach]

Now you can close the thread.

[TheForeigner]

Now you can close the thread.

Your maps say moldovans are only as light as north italians in Piemont,Lombardy and Veneto region and not most of the Ukraine. Much like I say and don't know who made them.

[TheForeigner]

Coon Map_Hair_and_Eyes.jpg Map by famous anthropologist Carleton Coon.

[Dombra]

The are closer to southern Romanians and Balkanites than northern Slavs

[Vlach]

The are closer to southern Romanians and Balkanites than northern Slavs

Is not about if they are closer, if they look the same as southern romanians. But they dont, in southern Romania to see a blonde/blue eyed is a rarity.

[TheForeigner]

The Rumanians of the plains show a general metrical similarity to the Neo-Danubians of the Slavic countries to the north, and at the same time a relationship to the longer-headed Bulgarians. The village of Nerejul Mare, some eighty miles north of Bucharest on the southeastern slope of the Carpathians, will serve as an example of the plains population, although the mean cephalic index of its inhabitants, 81.5, is higher than in some districts. The mean stature is 166.8 cm., the relative sitting height 52.7. Eighty-eight per cent of the men have black or dark brown to brown hair, the rest light brown or blond. Pure dark eyes are found among 54 per cent, light eyes among 11 per cent, with the rest mixed, mostly dark-mixed. Thus the population is prevailingly brunet, as well as moderately tall, intermediate in body build, and sub-brachycephalic.

The mean head length of 186 mm., and breadth of 151 mm. show a moderately small head size; the auricular height of 125 mm. is relatively high. The face is of moderate size, with a height of 121 mm., and breadths of 102 mm. for the minimum frontal, 140 mm. for the bizygomatic, and 106 mm. for the bigonial. The nose is small, with a height of 53.2 mm. and a breadth of 34.2 mm. The face is mesoprosopic, with a facial index of 86, and leptorrhine, with a nasal index of 65. While these cranial and facial indices place the inhabitants of Nerejul Mare definitely in the same class with the peasantry of most of Russia, the intensity of hair and eye pigmentation, and the narrowness of the forehead and nose, as contrasted to the breadth of the jaw, suggest the brunet long-headed element in Bulgaria and Greece. Rainer finds these moderately tall Mediterraneans among his villagers, as well as individuals of Neo-Danubian, Slavic-looking type; Alpines and Dinarics are partly responsible for the elevation of the cephalic index, and Norics are present as a Nordic by-product. In Moldavia as a whole, however, the Neo-Danubian and Black Sea Mediterranean forms are the two elements of greatest importance, and the same is true of Wallachia.

The mountaineers of Fundul Moldovii, in the Bukovina, are taller than the villagers just studied, with a mean stature, quoted above, of 169.5 cm.; their cephalic index mean is 85.4, while their nasal index reaches the low mean of 60. They are somewhat lighter eyed than the plainsmen, and darker haired. Their heads are broader, with a mean width of 157 mm., rather than shorter, and hence larger. Their faces are longer (124 mm.) and broader (144 mm.), while both foreheads and jaws also exceed those of the Moldavian villagers in breadth, and their nasal lengths (56.4 mm.) are considerably greater. Fifteen per cent have flattened occiputs Although only 20 per cent have convex nasal profiles, in the great majority the forward jut of the nose, accompanied by a straight or wavy profile, is great.

The Fundul Moldovii people are in great majority Dinarics; a few appear Alpine, and a few others Noric. By and large, if the inhabitants of this village were transported to northern Albania and given a change of costume, few anthropologists would be able to tell the difference between the newcomers and the native tribesmen. The inhabitants of Drağuş, farther south and on the Transylvanian side, and no farther from Bucharest than Nerejul Mare, are just as Dinaric metrically as the Bukovinian villagers; their heads are, in fact, shorter, with a mean length of 182 mm., as are their faces; they resemble to a certain extent the Dinaric form common among Serbs. More data from Coon.