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You're half Rusyn.Originally Posted by Nurzat
I am Romanian myself
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I was talking about higher presense of light blonds among Ukrainians compared to Belarussians and Russians.
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Blond hair in Romania is 2.4% according to this.
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Yeah I know. I'm just saying if you take account at all the data Russians are still lighter haired. ToeKneeHwin also found them basically equal in term of blond hair just like XP suggesting there isn't much difference between Russian and Ukrainians in terms of blonds
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Well that's exactly what surprised me.
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https://fmdataba.com/19/n/171/slovenia/best-players/(first 6 pages)
(already knew to take Josip Ililic out, born in Bosnia) I'll do new pigmentation on them if you specify which to take out and post it here, although won't update the maps.
I answered that in the op, there was quite a few cases where I switched opinion of the hair colour of a person after looking at multiple photos, that's why I looked at multiple photos. By multiple photos I mean like 20+, looking at what shows up in the majority in Google images. Another example from what I already gave in the OP would be Samuel Larsson, on his source page picture he looked clearly light brown to me, so as per my methodology that meant googling his name to make sure, and he turned out a clear dark blonde. Your point is one of the main reasons I wanted to do my own study.Ok in your methodology they were lighter. But I'm very sceptical for usefulness of photography to estimation of hair color.
For example me when I was in school. On first photo I was looking light or medium brown, on second very light (and it was taken year or two years later). In fact I was in the middle between those two images, on second photo must be strong sunlight. Now I'm much darker btw.
So how many times you saw such images with not proper lightning conditions?
and above(no offense) is exactly why I wanted to do this study to have proper, non-massaged numbers, many people can't tell the difference between light reflection and actual hair colour. I can see how in the middle of summer you'd think Swedes are 80% light haired(referring to Pansar here), but you are mistaking light reflection for actual hair colour. It's not like I'm not the only one with this definition of blonde, we have different definitions of medium brown but I pretty much have the same as The Blade and anthropologists like Palsson for blonde, I was getting almost exactly the same blonde% numbers as him before he even released a country(save for when we got to Bulgaria, not sure what happened there, one of us must've had to have switched our methodology and I'm sure as heck it wasn't me).I think often what makes hair look dark blonde rather than light brown is not that it looks "yellow", but rather that it looks desaturated. There is also a continuum between red hair and non-red hair, so that many people who have non-red hair still have hair that looks semi-red, which is another factor that makes some people's hair look more brown rather than blonde.
The photos below are of players in the Swedish top-level and second-level men's football leagues. They represent different examples of dark blonde or light brown hair, or in some cases medium-blonde, medium-brown, or red hair. Based on outdoor pics, I would classify most of the players as having blonde hair, but the players whose hair looks more brown than blonde often also have hair that looks either less desaturated or more reddish.
Thanks. Yes it excludes Atlanto-Med(and Alpinized Atlanto-Meds, Dinarids, Gorids, all which imo are part of the same phenotype spectrum and came from the same populations), I consider that spectrum to be intermediary(peaks in Iberia and Balkans which are not pure southern Europeans). Atlantids(again, imo) peak in Ireland/Wales, not France/Iberia, which are as genetically European as Scandinavians, Atlantids I consider a reduced Euro-HG type(reduced paleo-Atlantid pretty much), not a mix between Meds and Nordics.
I'm guessing you're going to disagree with a lot of my numbers, not sure what happened between mine and your Bulgaria numbers as our other blondism numbers were pretty similar, not sure gypsies as a whole can explain most of the difference, but regardless I still highly respect your work and look more countries you're doing to be released. I'm particularly interested to see how our Germanic vs Slavic % differences compare.
No need, it isn't as subjective as hair colour. ToeKneeHwin's and Supercomputer's eye colour studies are already the gold standard and go along with what I've personally noticed, like Irish/Slavs being darker haired but being far more light eyed.
2.4% blonde, 14% not black not dark brown, and that's including gypsies(although remember gypsies make up max 10% of the population, maybe a tiny bit more overrepresented in football). Romania and Slovakia actually had the only straight up Indian looking people, potential gypsies in other countries seemed to be more mixed and probably by today look like Kurds.
Again, this is why I felt the need to do this study lol, and no offense but I don't put much value on what southern Europeans consider blonde after so many times on this forum I've seen a southern Euro call clearly brown hair blonde. I mean to be fair, most anthropologists agreed with your definition, all the old studies have absolutely ridiculously high numbers, but most were from countries without a lot of blondism too. You need a person who's actually lived in a high blondism % population to know what blondism is, I remember asking a Danish friend if the majority of Danish chicks were blonde and he answered me like I was crazy. Yes, it's just the lighting, that's exactly why he isn't blonde. Why'd you pick the hair colour that shows up in the minority of photos?Nope, it's just the lighting. Most of these men are definitely blonde, ex. the first row (7/8, all except number 3):
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Majority of Tommy Thelin photos:
Nearly every photo of his shows him with hair like that, he has 2-3 that shows him as clearly blonde and he should be counted as blonde? Doesn't make sense.
Thanks. I would rather guess higher Ukrainian blondness is due to the oversampling of Moscow/St. Petersburg teams in Russia(you can see where the teams were from in the sources spoiler, I wanted a high sample size for Russia but also only keeping it in the core ethnic Russian area), capitals are usually darker than the rest of the country, pretty sure that Russian anthropologist who you've posted the works of before also found Moscow to be darker. Russia was technically even more red headed than Germany so the problem isn't sample size but more likely my definition of red. and yes, your 4th point is a good one, but you will have a hard time finding a lot of pics imo and multiple pics for each person for the smaller leagues.
Thanks. I used all teams participating in Spanish second Liga, usually teams will be representative of the country's population, i.e. more teams around Madrid. Even though Spain might not be the lightest S. Euro country, it was by far the most Atlanto-Med+ and Atlantid+ in Southern Europe south of Croatia.
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The Guanche skulls as a whole are unlike those of modern European Mediterraneans, and resemble northern European series most closely, especially those in which a brachycephalic element is present, as in Burgundian and Alemanni series.divided them into clearly differentiated types, which include a Mediterranean, a Nordic, a "Guanche," and an Alpine. The "Guanche" accounts for 50 per cent of the whole on the four islands of Teneriffe, Gomera, Gran Canaria, and Hierro; the Nordic for 31 per cent, the Mediterranean for 13 per cent, and the Alpineoldschool anthropology
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Thanks. I also doubt they're lighter. Again, Albania has like what, <1% Gypsy population, Serbia has nearing 10%, but there was no way for me to take out Gypsies without the study losing integrity imo. They are probably not too far off from eachother though, Albania and Serbia, but ethnic Serbians should be lighter.
The Guanche skulls as a whole are unlike those of modern European Mediterraneans, and resemble northern European series most closely, especially those in which a brachycephalic element is present, as in Burgundian and Alemanni series.divided them into clearly differentiated types, which include a Mediterranean, a Nordic, a "Guanche," and an Alpine. The "Guanche" accounts for 50 per cent of the whole on the four islands of Teneriffe, Gomera, Gran Canaria, and Hierro; the Nordic for 31 per cent, the Mediterranean for 13 per cent, and the Alpine
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Too bad that Portugal was not included. You would have to look for the Portuguese Rugby League or Roller Hockey instead to not have such a hard time finding ethnic players, ninety or so per cent are still natives.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ese+rugby+team
Anyway, you did Spain so I can have more or less an estimate.
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If you want to PM me a list of the names of all those players in the same order they're posted there I'm willing to do them, although it'd only be a sample size of 44 which will have a huge margin of error(I started out with around 100 for most countries at first, some results changed drastically once I got them in the multiple hundreds), but if you still want it I can do it. If you have any more and are willing to do the same I'm willing to do those as well, although don't send me like 200 lol.
The Guanche skulls as a whole are unlike those of modern European Mediterraneans, and resemble northern European series most closely, especially those in which a brachycephalic element is present, as in Burgundian and Alemanni series.divided them into clearly differentiated types, which include a Mediterranean, a Nordic, a "Guanche," and an Alpine. The "Guanche" accounts for 50 per cent of the whole on the four islands of Teneriffe, Gomera, Gran Canaria, and Hierro; the Nordic for 31 per cent, the Mediterranean for 13 per cent, and the Alpine
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This is just a quick look at names that aren't Slovenian and probably isn't a perfect list. Someone like Alenka might correct me on this one.
2. Samir Handanovic
9. Jasmin Kurtic
18. Bojan Jokic
28. Petar Stojanovic
31. Sinisa Andjelkovic
33. Jon Stankovic
35. Luka Zahovic
41 Jasmin Handanovic
47 Armin Bacinovic
50 Dejan Petrovic
55 Nemanja Mitrovic
62 Egzon Kryeziu
67 Zlatko Dedic
70 Damjan Vuklisevic
75 Denis Popovic
80 Aleksander Rajcevic
82 Miral Samardzic
84 Aleksander Rajcevic
85 Maks Barisic
87 David Tijanic
91 Milan Tucic
107 Amir Dervisevic
113 Nebojsa Kovacevic
123 Dalibor Stevanovic
124 Adis Hodzic
129 Dejan Lazarevic
131 Haris Vuckic
134 Dusan Stojinovic
137 Luka Susnjara
150 Dino Martinovic
151 Boban Jovic
154 Goran Cvijanovic
160 Damir Hadzic
161 Aris Zarifovic
169 Dalibor Volas
189 Damjan Trifkovic
191 Haris Kadric
192 Denis Grbic
202 Slobodan Vuk
213 Nermin Haljeta
227 Amel Dzuzdanovic
237 Marko Ranilovic
239 Elvis Dzafic
252 Mitja Zatkovic
256 Adnan Hajdarevic
258 Marko Gajic
265 Dejan Djermanovic
269 Ivica Guberac
I noticed that players change their numbers if you reload the page, so you should go by the name rather than number.
Just by the glance, I'd say Croatia also has several Muslim and Serbian names, I'm less confident at distinguishing them.
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