Are modern Levantines Arabicised Canaanites?

[Samnium]

I wish Sikeliot hasn’t been banned. He would also have an opinion about this thread.

He talked about that on Anthrogenica, a shame that he's ban he has interesting things to say on this subject. (You can go on Anthrogenica to see what he written)

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[Kyp]

yes

[Voskos]

Yes. Except jordanians and to some extent palestinians , who are majority descended from bedouin tribes.

[Mingle]

I see. What do you think on the fact that Egyptians cluster the closest to Levantines than to North Africans even though Egypt is geographically located in North Africa rather than in the Levant?

If you look at a population density map of Africa, you'll notice that the bulk of Egypt's population lives along the Nile River, which is much closer to the Levant than to Northwest Africa.

In the Maghreb, the regions with the highest population density are in the northwestern Maghreb.



Amazighs probably also originated in the western Maghreb, and they carry a distinct component (Maghreb Neolithic/Iberomaurasian) that didn't affect Egyptians much. Egyptians don't have an additional unique Neolithic component that doesn't exist among Levantines (and vice versa). Since Maghrebis mostly live in the northern mountains and are separated from Egypt by sparsely populated desert, it makes sense that Egypt would have had much more contact with West Asia than the rest of North Africa.

Also, the easternmost Amazighs are the Siwa Amazighs of western Egypt's Siwa Oasis. I haven't ever seen the genetics of someone from that region, but its possible that Egyptians aren't all that distant to Siwa Amazighs.

[Leto]

Yes. Except jordanians and to some extent palestinians , who are majority descended from bedouin tribes.

I'm interested in Syria. How different are the Syrian regions from each other? Do they have many genetically Lebanese-like people?

[FinalFlash]

I'm interested in Syria. How different are the Syrian regions from each other? Do they have many genetically Lebanese-like people?

Syrian kits

M091466
FG1578936
M848799
M541036
M160906
M637421
M881811
CL2940963
A966623
A114334

[Leto]

Syrian kits

M091466
FG1578936
M848799
M541036
M160906
M637421
M881811
CL2940963
A966623
A114334

Are they all of Muslim origin? They are quite unusual. Some get 6-7% African but also as much as 10% European (Baltic, N. Atlantic) and even a bit of South Asian (2-3%).

[FinalFlash]

Are they all of Muslim origin? They are quite unusual. Some get 6-7% African but also as much as 10% European (Baltic, N. Atlantic) and even a bit of South Asian (2-3%).

Yeah I believe they are based off their names that I found using the 'one-to-many' option. Their Steppe score isn't that surprising tbh because they seem to be on par with Lebanese Muslims in that regard except a bit less "East Med". Speaking of which, do you have any Lebanese Muslim kit numbers?

[Leto]

Yeah I believe they are based off their names that I found using the 'one-to-many' option. Their Steppe score isn't that surprising tbh because they seem to be on par with Lebanese Muslims in that regard except a bit less "East Med".

I've run them all through Harappa

Spoiler!

Kit M091466

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 37.83
2 SW-Asian 22.8
3 Mediterranean 15.36
4 Baloch 11.73
5 NE-Euro 5.18
6 E-African 3.34
7 S-Indian 2.03
8 Siberian 1.07
9 Pygmy 0.31
10 Beringian 0.2
11 San 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 lebanese (behar) 5.04
2 syrian (behar) 6.85
3 palestinian (harappa) 6.91
4 jordanian (behar) 8.12
5 lebanese-muslim (haber) 9.1


Kit FG1578936

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.18
2 SW-Asian 20.03
3 Mediterranean 14.41
4 Baloch 10.46
5 NE-Euro 6.5
6 E-African 4.51
7 W-African 4.02
8 S-Indian 1.88
9 NE-Asian 0.67
10 Papuan 0.6
11 Siberian 0.39
12 Beringian 0.31

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 lebanese (behar) 7.37
2 syrian (behar) 9.05
3 palestinian (harappa) 9.4
4 jordanian (behar) 9.92
5 lebanese-muslim (haber) 10.75


Kit M848799

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 39.41
2 SW-Asian 21.19
3 Mediterranean 13.47
4 Baloch 12.39
5 NE-Euro 4.98
6 E-African 3.87
7 W-African 1.52
8 S-Indian 1.21
9 Pygmy 0.6
10 Siberian 0.53
11 San 0.46
12 Papuan 0.25
13 NE-Asian 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 lebanese (behar) 3.88
2 palestinian (harappa) 5.69
3 syrian (behar) 5.73
4 lebanese-muslim (haber) 7.07
5 jordanian (behar) 8.22


Kit M541036

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 37.55
2 SW-Asian 21.22
3 Mediterranean 14.58
4 Baloch 11.85
5 NE-Euro 4.78
6 E-African 4.11
7 W-African 1.86
8 NE-Asian 1.25
9 San 0.88
10 Pygmy 0.67
11 Papuan 0.55
12 S-Indian 0.51
13 American 0.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 lebanese (behar) 4.98
2 palestinian (harappa) 6.95
3 syrian (behar) 7.13
4 jordanian (behar) 8.29
5 lebanese-muslim (haber) 8.71


Kit M160906

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.81
2 SW-Asian 23.23
3 Mediterranean 13.49
4 Baloch 11.25
5 E-African 5.44
6 W-African 3.24
7 NE-Euro 2.68
8 S-Indian 1.72
9 Papuan 0.8
10 Beringian 0.61
11 Pygmy 0.32
12 Siberian 0.2
13 SE-Asian 0.16
14 American 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 lebanese (behar) 5.18
2 jordanian (behar) 5.88
3 syrian (behar) 6.3
4 palestinian (harappa) 6.35
5 palestinian (hgdp) 8.75


Kit M637421

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.37
2 SW-Asian 22.95
3 Mediterranean 13.51
4 Baloch 11.64
5 NE-Euro 5.05
6 E-African 4.84
7 W-African 2.98
8 S-Indian 1.29
9 Papuan 0.62
10 Beringian 0.41
11 American 0.15
12 Pygmy 0.12
13 Siberian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 lebanese (behar) 5.56
2 syrian (behar) 6.6
3 palestinian (harappa) 6.65
4 jordanian (behar) 7
5 palestinian (hgdp) 9.7


Kit M881811

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 37.84
2 SW-Asian 25.23
3 Mediterranean 13.11
4 Baloch 9.98
5 E-African 6.39
6 NE-Euro 3.56
7 W-African 1.99
8 Papuan 1.2
9 Siberian 0.22
10 SE-Asian 0.22
11 S-Indian 0.16
12 American 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 jordanian (behar) 4.3
2 lebanese (behar) 4.96
3 syrian (behar) 6.14
4 palestinian (harappa) 6.56
5 palestinian (hgdp) 6.85


Kit CL2940963

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.62
2 SW-Asian 22.92
3 Mediterranean 12.22
4 Baloch 12.22
5 NE-Euro 6.7
6 E-African 3.41
7 W-African 2.13
8 S-Indian 2.1
9 Beringian 0.9
10 San 0.43
11 NE-Asian 0.34

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 lebanese (behar) 6.06
2 syrian (behar) 6.15
3 palestinian (harappa) 6.46
4 jordanian (behar) 8.06
5 iraqi-arab (harappa) 8.86


Kit A966623

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 39.88
2 SW-Asian 23.98
3 Mediterranean 11.48
4 Baloch 10.41
5 E-African 4.61
6 NE-Euro 3.16
7 W-African 2.09
8 S-Indian 1.18
9 NE-Asian 1.14
10 SE-Asian 1.04
11 Papuan 0.51
12 Beringian 0.51

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 lebanese (behar) 2.79
2 syrian (behar) 3.59
3 jordanian (behar) 4.75
4 palestinian (harappa) 4.86
5 lebanese-muslim (haber) 6.54


Kit A114334

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.16
2 SW-Asian 25.95
3 Mediterranean 12.3
4 Baloch 11.22
5 NE-Euro 6.48
6 E-African 4.6
7 S-Indian 1.66
8 Papuan 0.64
9 San 0.46
10 Pygmy 0.34
11 W-African 0.12
12 American 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 syrian (behar) 6.46
2 jordanian (behar) 6.56
3 lebanese (behar) 6.65
4 palestinian (harappa) 6.84
5 palestinian (hgdp) 8.48

Speaking of which, do you have any Lebanese Muslim kit numbers?

There were some on here definitely, I'll have to look for them though. Ahaddad or what's his username, he might have a few.

[FinalFlash]

I've run them all through Harappa

Spoiler!

Kit M091466

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 37.83
2 SW-Asian 22.8
3 Mediterranean 15.36
4 Baloch 11.73
5 NE-Euro 5.18
6 E-African 3.34
7 S-Indian 2.03
8 Siberian 1.07
9 Pygmy 0.31
10 Beringian 0.2
11 San 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 lebanese (behar) 5.04
2 syrian (behar) 6.85
3 palestinian (harappa) 6.91
4 jordanian (behar) 8.12
5 lebanese-muslim (haber) 9.1


Kit FG1578936

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.18
2 SW-Asian 20.03
3 Mediterranean 14.41
4 Baloch 10.46
5 NE-Euro 6.5
6 E-African 4.51
7 W-African 4.02
8 S-Indian 1.88
9 NE-Asian 0.67
10 Papuan 0.6
11 Siberian 0.39
12 Beringian 0.31

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 lebanese (behar) 7.37
2 syrian (behar) 9.05
3 palestinian (harappa) 9.4
4 jordanian (behar) 9.92
5 lebanese-muslim (haber) 10.75


Kit M848799

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 39.41
2 SW-Asian 21.19
3 Mediterranean 13.47
4 Baloch 12.39
5 NE-Euro 4.98
6 E-African 3.87
7 W-African 1.52
8 S-Indian 1.21
9 Pygmy 0.6
10 Siberian 0.53
11 San 0.46
12 Papuan 0.25
13 NE-Asian 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 lebanese (behar) 3.88
2 palestinian (harappa) 5.69
3 syrian (behar) 5.73
4 lebanese-muslim (haber) 7.07
5 jordanian (behar) 8.22


Kit M541036

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 37.55
2 SW-Asian 21.22
3 Mediterranean 14.58
4 Baloch 11.85
5 NE-Euro 4.78
6 E-African 4.11
7 W-African 1.86
8 NE-Asian 1.25
9 San 0.88
10 Pygmy 0.67
11 Papuan 0.55
12 S-Indian 0.51
13 American 0.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 lebanese (behar) 4.98
2 palestinian (harappa) 6.95
3 syrian (behar) 7.13
4 jordanian (behar) 8.29
5 lebanese-muslim (haber) 8.71


Kit M160906

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.81
2 SW-Asian 23.23
3 Mediterranean 13.49
4 Baloch 11.25
5 E-African 5.44
6 W-African 3.24
7 NE-Euro 2.68
8 S-Indian 1.72
9 Papuan 0.8
10 Beringian 0.61
11 Pygmy 0.32
12 Siberian 0.2
13 SE-Asian 0.16
14 American 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 lebanese (behar) 5.18
2 jordanian (behar) 5.88
3 syrian (behar) 6.3
4 palestinian (harappa) 6.35
5 palestinian (hgdp) 8.75


Kit M637421

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.37
2 SW-Asian 22.95
3 Mediterranean 13.51
4 Baloch 11.64
5 NE-Euro 5.05
6 E-African 4.84
7 W-African 2.98
8 S-Indian 1.29
9 Papuan 0.62
10 Beringian 0.41
11 American 0.15
12 Pygmy 0.12
13 Siberian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 lebanese (behar) 5.56
2 syrian (behar) 6.6
3 palestinian (harappa) 6.65
4 jordanian (behar) 7
5 palestinian (hgdp) 9.7


Kit M881811

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 37.84
2 SW-Asian 25.23
3 Mediterranean 13.11
4 Baloch 9.98
5 E-African 6.39
6 NE-Euro 3.56
7 W-African 1.99
8 Papuan 1.2
9 Siberian 0.22
10 SE-Asian 0.22
11 S-Indian 0.16
12 American 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 jordanian (behar) 4.3
2 lebanese (behar) 4.96
3 syrian (behar) 6.14
4 palestinian (harappa) 6.56
5 palestinian (hgdp) 6.85


Kit CL2940963

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.62
2 SW-Asian 22.92
3 Mediterranean 12.22
4 Baloch 12.22
5 NE-Euro 6.7
6 E-African 3.41
7 W-African 2.13
8 S-Indian 2.1
9 Beringian 0.9
10 San 0.43
11 NE-Asian 0.34

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 lebanese (behar) 6.06
2 syrian (behar) 6.15
3 palestinian (harappa) 6.46
4 jordanian (behar) 8.06
5 iraqi-arab (harappa) 8.86


Kit A966623

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 39.88
2 SW-Asian 23.98
3 Mediterranean 11.48
4 Baloch 10.41
5 E-African 4.61
6 NE-Euro 3.16
7 W-African 2.09
8 S-Indian 1.18
9 NE-Asian 1.14
10 SE-Asian 1.04
11 Papuan 0.51
12 Beringian 0.51

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 lebanese (behar) 2.79
2 syrian (behar) 3.59
3 jordanian (behar) 4.75
4 palestinian (harappa) 4.86
5 lebanese-muslim (haber) 6.54


Kit A114334

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.16
2 SW-Asian 25.95
3 Mediterranean 12.3
4 Baloch 11.22
5 NE-Euro 6.48
6 E-African 4.6
7 S-Indian 1.66
8 Papuan 0.64
9 San 0.46
10 Pygmy 0.34
11 W-African 0.12
12 American 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 syrian (behar) 6.46
2 jordanian (behar) 6.56
3 lebanese (behar) 6.65
4 palestinian (harappa) 6.84
5 palestinian (hgdp) 8.48

There were some on here definitely, I'll have to look for them though. Ahaddad or what's his username, he might have a few.

Spasibo Bolshoi!