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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiki: Greeks in Egypt --> Modern Times

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    In 1907, the census showed 62,973 Greeks living in Egypt. By 1940, Greeks numbered about 250,000. The Greek community in Alexandria lived around the church and convent of Sabbas the Sanctified. In the same area there was a guest house for Greek travelers, a Greek hospital and later a Greek school. The Greek Orthodox bishop was based in Damietta in the church of Nikolaos of Myrna.

    In Cairo, the first organised Greek community was founded in 1856, with the community based in three main neighbourhoods: Tzouonia, Haret el Roum (Street of the Greeks), and in Hamzaoui. The patriarchate was based in Saint Mark's Coptic Orthodox Cathedral, Azbakeya. The monastery of Saint George, in Old Cairo still survives. The monastery is surrounded by a huge wall and topped by a stone tower. Within its walls there was a Greek hospital, a school and housing for the elderly and poor.

    In addition to the Greek communities of Alexandria and Cairo, there were the organised Greek communities of Mansoura, founded in 1860, Port Said, founded in 1870, Tanta in 1880, and the community of Zagazig in 1850. There were fifteen smaller communities across Egypt and mainly around Cairo and Alexandria. In Upper Egypt, the oldest ancient Greek community was the one of Minia which was founded in 1812.

    The first banks in Egypt were crafted by Greeks, including the Bank of Alexandria, the Anglo-Egyptian bank (Sunadinos family / Συναδινός), and the General Bank of Alexandria. Also, it was the Greek agriculturists and farmers that first systematically and with scientific planning, cultivated cotton and tobacco. They improved the quantity and quality of production and dominated cotton and tobacco exports. Notable families in tobacco commerce were the Salvagos (Σαλβάγκος), Benakis (Μπενάκης), Rodochanakis (Ροδοχανάκης) and Zervoudachis (Ζερβουδάκης).[19] The tobacco cultivars used for cigarette manufacturing, e.g., by Kyriazi Freres, were of Greek origin. A thriving commerce between Greece and Egypt was thus established. Other areas of interest for the Greeks in Egypt were foods, wine, soap, wood crafts, printing.

    In the food industry, the macaroni industries of Melachrinos (Μελαχροινός) and Antoniadis (Αντωνιάδης) were well known. Another example was the cheese and butter production of Argyriou (Αργυρίου), Roussoglou (Ρουσσόγλου) and Paleoroutas (Παλαιορούτας). Chocolate-Biscuits and Toffee producers were: Daloghlou (Δαλόγλου), Russos (Ρούσσος), Repapis (Ρεπάπης); Oil-soaps-vegetable fats (Salt & Soda) producers like Zerbinis (Ζερμπίνης) were based in Kafr al-Zayat. There were many Greek theatres and cinemas. Major Greek newspapers were Ta grammata (Τα Γράμματα), "Tahidromos"(Ταχυδρόμος), and Nea Zoi (Νέα Ζωή).[20] The Greek community in Egypt has produced numerous artists, writers, diplomats and politicians, the most famous being the poet Constantine P. Cavafy (Κωνσταντίνος Καβάφης), also the painter Konstantinos Parthenis (Κωνσταντίνος Παρθένης).

    During the Balkan Wars, the Greek communities of Egypt sent volunteers, funded hospitals, and accommodated families of the soldiers. During World War II (1940–1945), more than 7000 Greeks fought for the Allies in the Middle East; 142 died. Their financial contribution reached 2500 million Egyptian pounds.[21] After the Suez Crisis, the British and French laborers left while the Greeks stayed.[22]

    Patriarchate of Alexandria
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    Greek-Egyptian benefactors
    Dionysios Kasdaglis, ethnic Greek Egyptian tennis player at the Athens Olympics in 1896

    The emergence of a Greek aristocracy of rich industrialists, commercants and bankers created the legacy of Greek-Egyptian philanthropism. These benefactors donated large amounts for the building of schools, academies, hospitals and institutions in both Egypt and Greece. Michail Tositsas donated large amounts for the building of the Athens University, the Amalio Orphanage and the Athens Polytechnic. His wife Eleni Tositsa donated the land for the National Archaeological Museum of Athens. George Averoff also contributed to the building of the National Technical University of Athens, the Evelpidon Military Academy and the donation of the cruiser Averoff to the Hellenic Navy. Emmanouil Benakis contributed to the building of the National Gallery of Athens, while his son Antonis Benakis was the founder of the Benaki Museum. Other major benefactors include Nikolaos Stournaras, Theodoros Kotsikas, Nestoras Tsanaklis, Konstantinos Horemis, Stefanos Delta, Penelope Delta, Pantazis Vassanis and Vassilis Sivitanidis.[19]

    Exodus

    The exodus of Greeks from Egypt started before the revolution of 1952. With the establishment of the new sovereign regime of Gamal Abdel Nasser, rise of Pan-Arab nationalism, and the subsequent nationalisation of many industries in 1961 and 1963, thousands of Greek employees decided to abandon the country. Many of them emigrated to Australia, the United States, Canada, South Africa, Western Europe, and Greece. Many Greek schools, churches, small communities and institutions subsequently closed, but many continue to function to this day. The Nasser regime saw a big exodus of the Greeks from Egypt, but most of the minority left the country either before or after the period 1952-1970. The Arab-Israeli wars of 1956 and 1967 contributed to the uprooting of the sizeable Greek community in the Suez Canal cities, especially Port Said.
    Today

    Today the Greek community numbers officially about 5,000 people[23] although many of Greek origin are now counted as Egyptian, having changed their nationality. In Alexandria, apart from the Patriarchate, there is a Patriarchal theology school that opened recently after 480 years being closed. Saint Nicholas church in Cairo and several other buildings in Alexandria have been recently renovated by the Greek Government and the Alexander S. Onassis Foundation. Saint George's church in Old Cairo is undergoing restoration to end in 2014. During the last decade, there has been a new interest from the Egyptian government for a diplomatic rapprochement with Greece and this has positively affected the Greek Diaspora. The Diaspora has received official visits of many Greek politicians. Economic relationships between Greece and Egypt have expanded. As of 2010, Egypt has received major Greek investments in banking, tourism, paper, the oil industry, & many others. In 2009, a five-year cooperation-memorandum was signed among the NCSR Demokritos Institute in Agia Paraskevi, Athens and the University of Alexandria, regarding Archeometry research and contextual sectors.[24]


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    Quote Originally Posted by Samnium View Post
    Not to mention that a good chunk of Greek DNA, Steppe like in all europeans is ABSENT in Egyptians (they score 0% Steppe) and the majority of Egyptian DNA is ABSENT in Greece : NA DNA and SSA.
    You're 100% correct.
    Egyptians are quite close to Levantines. Using Berbers, the Canaanite samples, Armenia_EBA, Arabs, Steppe and extra African I get:

    "distance%=1.1742"

    Egyptian

    Levant_BA_North,55.4
    Mozabite,20
    BedouinB,15.8
    Dinka,8.8

    Palestinians score small, but significant amount of Steppe + more Canaanite and Armenian. Also some Berber probably due to this sample having several Egpytian mixed Palestinians.

    "distance%=0.8776"

    Palestinian

    Levant_BA_North,61.8
    BedouinB,13
    Armenia_EBA,8
    Sintashta_MLBA,7.8
    Mozabite,5.2
    Dinka,4.2
    As you can see, modern day Egyptians don't have steppe ancestry nor do they have recent west asian admixture in their genepool in contrast to their Palestinian Muslim counterparts who do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toppo900 View Post
    You're 100% correct.


    As you can see, modern day Egyptians don't have steppe ancestry nor do they have recent west asian admixture in their genepool in contrast to their Palestinian Muslim counterparts who do.
    Interesting I thought that Egyptians had some W.Asian since they are considered to be some part of M.East...

    People thought in the past that Egyptians were well connected to Levant and W.Asia, it's true but only in a commercial way.

    To me they belong to Africa continent, genetically. Even if leaning toward Saudis.

    Also they have twice direct SSA compared to Palestinians. Mozabite contains also SSA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evrim View Post
    Multiculturalism, multiracialism are not peaceful. We are tribalistic animals, in such unnatural communities, there will be always social tension. Our phenotypes and ethnic identities give us a tribal identity we want to protect. One of the main reasons for our culturally, ideologically fractured country is multiculturalism of Ottoman heritage. If we changed Iranic Kurds with Turkic Azeris in early 1900's by Iran, there would be no PKK and a big part of our economy would be free from burden of war.
    immigration was pushed by the controllers to incite patriotism and nationalism among the the locals, as part of the Hegelian Dialectic. That's the way they'll manufacture the purge. the Zionists will torture the goys by taking away their livelihoods and jobs in the upcoming purge to instead replace them with robots. easier to control. Skynet will take over. Martial law civil war 2. Gulags (FEMA camps). Communist takeover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samnium View Post
    Interesting I thought that Egyptians had some W.Asian since they are considered to be some part of M.East...

    People thought in the past that Egyptians were well connected to Levant and W.Asia, it's true but only in a commercial way.

    To me they belong to Africa continent, genetically. Even if leaning toward Saudis.

    Also they have twice direct SSA compared to Palestinians. Mozabite contains also SSA.
    Well, they do belong to the middle eastern/levantine cluster than to any African clusters including North African.

    Genetic affinity between the studied groups was further investigated by calculating pairwise genetic distances (RST) using Y-STR haplotypes. The MDS (Figure 2B) shows a geographical clustering similar to the PCA. The first dimension splits the sub-Saharan Africans from all other populations. The North Africans cluster close to Middle Easterners with Tuareg drawn towards sub-Saharans and Egypt close to Palestinians.

    We have further investigated the genetic structure found in North Africa by implementing AMOVA on different geographical clusters (Table S3). A significant genetic heterogeneity was found when all populations were considered as a single group (15.17% for haplogroups and 11.15% for haplotypes). For comparisons with the mtDNA results from Fadhlaoui-Zid et al [45], two groups were considered in each analysis taking into consideration current geopolitical boundaries. Results show significant variance among groups when Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia were pooled in one group and Libya, Tuareg, Egypt and the Middle East pooled in the second group. Variance among groups decreases but remains significant when Libyans and Tuareg are added to the first group. Conversely, significant differences between groups are lost when Egyptians are added to the North African group (Table S3). This result is also reflected in the PCA and MDS and shows Egypt's strong affinity to the Middle East rather than to North Africa.

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    Egypt appears on the Middle East branch rather than with other North Africans, again in agreement with previous analyses. Our results show that most North Africans emerged around 15,000 ya during the post Last Glacial Maxima warming period (Table S5). Tunisians (Chenini-Douiret Berbers) show older dates and appear to have Paleolithic common ancestors with other North Africans. Population structure within North Africa starts with the splitting of Egypt around 2,800 ya. Tuareg split next from North Africans around 1,900 ya, followed by the remaining North Africans splitting around 1,000-1,300 ya.




    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0080293

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    Ancient Greeks of Egypt have been assimilated by Copts and Arabs, recent Greek Egyptians are immigrants from Greek mainland moved in Egypt in Ottoman time for business. They are not descendants of Ancient Greek Egyptians.
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    Dark skin is sign of evilness, every dark skinned country is agressive, full with criminality, violented peoples, most crimes were committed by dark skinned peoples. Many of them are follower of Islam (death cult) to spread the voice of Satan who tainted them that's why their skin is dark as their souls. We whites are descedants of angels (thats why our skin is light), we created the human rights, we ended slavery, we created the modern medical science to save lifes etc etc. Thats why the dark skinned peoples are so jealous for us and they want to destroy everything what the angles created.

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    The first wave(Ancient greeks) were assimilated into Egyptians and later arabs.
    The second wave(mostly refugees from asia minor and greece proper) were expelled by Nasser in the 1950s, together with italians and french.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmara View Post
    Ancient Greeks of Egypt have been assimilated by Copts and Arabs, recent Greek Egyptians are immigrants from Greek mainland moved in Egypt in Ottoman time for business. They are not descendants of Ancient Greek Egyptians.
    They don't seem to have much if any SE European admixture which suggests that the ancient Greeks of Egypt were small and insignificant, and the modern day Greeks of Alexandria came to the country during the reign of Muhammaed Ali Pasha till most of them were expelled by Nasser in the 50's. Egyptian Copts and Muslims have more Arabian admixture than Greek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evrim View Post
    I decided to watch movie Agora, I wondered what happened to Greeks and Hellenic people in Egypt? Were they massacred and raped by Islamic hordes? Or they were long gone before Arabization of Egypt by miscegenation?
    Nasser happened to them, and they had to return to Greece.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catgeorge View Post
    You asked about Greeks of Alexandreia and you spin it towards Turkish nationalism. IDGAF about your country, your economy nor your identity. You are short brown people with low IQ
    as if you wogs are different from turks lol.

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